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2012 SH Farallones
- Thread starter bobwalden
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ronnie simpson
Peterson 34 "QUIVER"
The 2012 Singlehanded Farallones race is no longer. The man killed it. After talking with Greg Nelsen, I feel it's appropriate that the 99% rally together and "Occupy" the Farallones.
The Occupy movement is extending offshore on May 12, 2012. In addition, there will be an impromptu rose and wreath laying memorial service for the crew of LSC, as each boat rounds the island.
OCCUPY FARALLONES 2012!!!
The Occupy movement is extending offshore on May 12, 2012. In addition, there will be an impromptu rose and wreath laying memorial service for the crew of LSC, as each boat rounds the island.
OCCUPY FARALLONES 2012!!!
OCCUPY FARALLONES 2012 & LSC Memorial
Since the system is already in place, can we use the race registration program so that we know who is going and keep a watchful eye over each other?
Perhaps Deathspear can post his GPS coordinates that he has set to keep him off the rock pile when the fog blows in or night falls, and we can all voluntarily add them to our GPS Waypoint list for the day.
There are SHTP entrants that need to practice, so this will just be an organized practice to support our fraternity. Because that's what we are here for, to promote safe shorthanded sailing, not crawl under the bed sheets gripped with fear.
Since the system is already in place, can we use the race registration program so that we know who is going and keep a watchful eye over each other?
Perhaps Deathspear can post his GPS coordinates that he has set to keep him off the rock pile when the fog blows in or night falls, and we can all voluntarily add them to our GPS Waypoint list for the day.
There are SHTP entrants that need to practice, so this will just be an organized practice to support our fraternity. Because that's what we are here for, to promote safe shorthanded sailing, not crawl under the bed sheets gripped with fear.
I think that racing organizations are going to have to make proposals to the CG to make the Farallones races safer. Tethers may be part of it. But a 'Restricted Zone' might be called for. There was a really good posting on Sailing Anarchy about staying out of a 10 fathom zone. That shallower than 10 fathoms increases the likelihood of large ways. I was playing around with it and something like this might make sense.
S. Farallones N 37 42.42'N 123 00.31'W
S. Farallones NW 37 42.40'N 123 01.45'W
S. Farallones S 37 41.49'N 123 00.15'W
S. Farallones SW 37 41.47'N 123 01.45'W
Thoughts? Check them out and see if they make sense.
Tony
S. Farallones N 37 42.42'N 123 00.31'W
S. Farallones NW 37 42.40'N 123 01.45'W
S. Farallones S 37 41.49'N 123 00.15'W
S. Farallones SW 37 41.47'N 123 01.45'W
Thoughts? Check them out and see if they make sense.
Tony
BobJ
Alerion 38 "Surprise!"
Not all will agree with me but I feel compelled to post.
I am also opposed to the CG's actions but I think everyone should give Max and the SSS Board an opportunity to reschedule the SHF. I think this will be the 35th year? The SHF has been called a "Rite of Passage" for solo racers in our area and it holds a lot of significance for many of us.
Moreover, nothing good can come from sailing out there on May 12th in some sort of organized statement or protest. As single-handed racers, we are the group most vulnerable to increased scrutiny and regulation. By posting your intentions on this SSS-sponsored Forum you are using the SSS to plan this activity, and this puts the SSS in a bad light at a time when we could use our good reputation to try to improve the situation. I have no doubt that the powers-that-be read these Forums.
I understand, really I do - but let the Board get the race rescheduled. If you want to get in some practice or start your qualifier on 5/12, more power to you. Just don't organize it here.
Respectfully,
Bob J.
I am also opposed to the CG's actions but I think everyone should give Max and the SSS Board an opportunity to reschedule the SHF. I think this will be the 35th year? The SHF has been called a "Rite of Passage" for solo racers in our area and it holds a lot of significance for many of us.
Moreover, nothing good can come from sailing out there on May 12th in some sort of organized statement or protest. As single-handed racers, we are the group most vulnerable to increased scrutiny and regulation. By posting your intentions on this SSS-sponsored Forum you are using the SSS to plan this activity, and this puts the SSS in a bad light at a time when we could use our good reputation to try to improve the situation. I have no doubt that the powers-that-be read these Forums.
I understand, really I do - but let the Board get the race rescheduled. If you want to get in some practice or start your qualifier on 5/12, more power to you. Just don't organize it here.
Respectfully,
Bob J.
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bobwalden
New member
+1 to bobJ's comment. I was initially going to sail the course myself on may 12, but then Max said they'd reschedule it, and then others started making may 12 sound like a political rally. I'd rather support Max and the SSS. I'll do the in-the-bay course may 12 and SHF in sept or whenever it gets booked. I sail out to the farallones a couple times a year cruising anyway--not feeling compelled to do it on the 12th.
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dhusselman
New member
Didn't check the waypoints but I am definitely in favor of having a restricted zone. It would make a lot of sense if all organizations that organize a Farallones race agree on the same restricted zone and communicate that to the CG.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]*Due to recent events, the SSS will use an alternate course for the May 12th race. The Farallon's race will be reschedulted for later in the year. Both races will have singlehanded only entries and an additional season throw-out will be used for overall season scoring.
Two singlehanded races are better than one. Using Point Bonita as a mark for the May 12th race will not require the additional ocean racing equipment. A revised additional sailing instruction for the May 12th alternate race course will be posted soon.
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Two singlehanded races are better than one. Using Point Bonita as a mark for the May 12th race will not require the additional ocean racing equipment. A revised additional sailing instruction for the May 12th alternate race course will be posted soon.
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pogen
Sailing canoe "Kūʻaupaʻa"
I agree with Bob. As frustrating as the situation is, and of course this group as singlehanders will have a libertarian bias, getting into any kind of head butting with USCG will be very, very counterproductive in the long run. If people want to individually sail somewhere outside the bay that is one thing, they should just do so without any appearance whatsoever of subverting the well established USCG legal authority to regulate any marine 'event'.
I have some indication that the USS committee won't be as bad as some have feared, and we may find the outcome quite acceptable compared to what it could be. We need to stand by, show some patience and maturity. The ocean will still be there.
Lots of good, constructive ideas being posted. Thanks to the Board for steering a winning course by keeping us sailing (in the bay) on schedule and still having the SHF later this year. I agree with those advocating shallow water restrictions around Southeast Farallon; too bad there isn't a convenient bouy in the same vicinity.
In my experience, the SSS has an excellent relationship with the Coast Guard, and I hope we all do everything we can to keep it that way. At this point, as I understand things, there is little threat to the 2012 Singlehanded Transpac. The one thing that could negatively impact the SHTP would be to go "mano a mano" with the Coast Guard now.
Al Germain
Bandicoot
In my experience, the SSS has an excellent relationship with the Coast Guard, and I hope we all do everything we can to keep it that way. At this point, as I understand things, there is little threat to the 2012 Singlehanded Transpac. The one thing that could negatively impact the SHTP would be to go "mano a mano" with the Coast Guard now.
Al Germain
Bandicoot
Culebra
New member
Seamanship
For me, one of the rewards and challenges of an ocean race, including short, intense races like the Farallones, is to demonstrate and improve upon my seamanship. Describing artificial boundaries like a depth contour or coordinates is to say that inside the boundary is dangerous and outside is safe. What is safe one day, is not the next. It's the mariner's duty to consider the conditions and the risks, and make sound judgments. The SSS promotes education and experiences that nurture both the budding and the competent solo sailor. Learning to exercise good seamanship, good judgment, is an essential part of that learning curve.
Culebra and I raced solo in the OYRA Farallones this past April 14th. I wasn't aware of the tragedy that occurred until I was back in my slip at the end of the day. But as I approached the island, where the wind and seas intensified, I saw a much larger surf zone than usual so I stood off a 1/2 mile all the way around. Which is outside the marks several have proposed. Pretty much all the other boats rounding with me stood off a similar distance as well. Leeway toward shore, from a high sea and high winds, was significant, especially due to my higher angle of heel. The south-setting current also drew me shoreward. And there was the potential to make mistakes, as I often do singlehanding. I considered that a minimum safe distance for me, for those conditions.
I've also been around the Farallones when conditions were balmy and benign... the kind of rare day when you actually get to sail closer to enjoy, and later, savor, the texture and color of the shoreline.
So now we're going to tell the racer what is a safe distance to stand off, for every set of conditions. That's incongruent with our vision as an organization. And it's dangerous. The CG, and especially we all, should know better. Instead let's insist on, and model, good judgment. (And yes, I was tethered.)
Paul/Culebra
For me, one of the rewards and challenges of an ocean race, including short, intense races like the Farallones, is to demonstrate and improve upon my seamanship. Describing artificial boundaries like a depth contour or coordinates is to say that inside the boundary is dangerous and outside is safe. What is safe one day, is not the next. It's the mariner's duty to consider the conditions and the risks, and make sound judgments. The SSS promotes education and experiences that nurture both the budding and the competent solo sailor. Learning to exercise good seamanship, good judgment, is an essential part of that learning curve.
Culebra and I raced solo in the OYRA Farallones this past April 14th. I wasn't aware of the tragedy that occurred until I was back in my slip at the end of the day. But as I approached the island, where the wind and seas intensified, I saw a much larger surf zone than usual so I stood off a 1/2 mile all the way around. Which is outside the marks several have proposed. Pretty much all the other boats rounding with me stood off a similar distance as well. Leeway toward shore, from a high sea and high winds, was significant, especially due to my higher angle of heel. The south-setting current also drew me shoreward. And there was the potential to make mistakes, as I often do singlehanding. I considered that a minimum safe distance for me, for those conditions.
I've also been around the Farallones when conditions were balmy and benign... the kind of rare day when you actually get to sail closer to enjoy, and later, savor, the texture and color of the shoreline.
So now we're going to tell the racer what is a safe distance to stand off, for every set of conditions. That's incongruent with our vision as an organization. And it's dangerous. The CG, and especially we all, should know better. Instead let's insist on, and model, good judgment. (And yes, I was tethered.)
Paul/Culebra
ronnie simpson
Peterson 34 "QUIVER"
You guys are right. I am an opinionated, passionate young man and I don't always exercise wisdom. Part of me being young and my background, I suppose. I fully intend to sail solo around the Farallones on May 12, as I consider it a very valuable part of my training regimen for Singlehanded Transpac. But I am not going to try to promote, have an organized event, or conduct anything that could be labeled as a political protest. I would never want to do anything that could jeopardize the SSS' reputation and standing with local authorities.
I'm young and get carried away sometimes.
But I am looking forward to sailing around the Farallones on May 12.
I'm young and get carried away sometimes.
But I am looking forward to sailing around the Farallones on May 12.
bobwalden
New member
Alexmehran
New member
Ditto what Ronnie said - I just want to stick to my planned training schedule for the Solo TP which the SH Farallones was a part of - I think the whole occupy thing was someone's joke.
Here's an idea for an "obstruction" with some plots from recent CF races
http://www.sfbama.org/racing/replay/120414OYRAFarallonzone.JPG
zoomed out in google earth
http://www.sfbama.org/racing/replay/120414OYRAFarallon.JPG
verified by GPS track or log with photos of other boats or competitor corroboration. (yes they were outside my GPS track shown which complies- this takes care of the sextantarian generation )
You can watch GPS track movie 3 boats in CF
http://www.sfbama.org/racing/replay/120414OYRAFarallon.html
Not a safety zone since safety changes with boat and conditions. (Rule 4)
Also propose that Rule 2 "fair sailing" includes seamanship (and include reference documents such as Chapmans). Penalties to be multiples of the time advantage gained up to and including DSQ and barring from future races. May need to revise SI's to clarify. Could petition to have formal rule change (Hey- we're progressive in educating the world to not sail near rocks). This way only folks cutting corners get penalized.
Elsewhere also proposed an Offshore Race Council of the clubs that run the 24 offshore races (OYRA only runs 5-8 of the 24 depending when CG counted). Minimally to share info and experiences. Goal to identify best practices and to standardize/implement across the clubs/races. Super goal would be to standardize SI's as much as possible. CHair would rotate amongst the clubs. YRA could administrate.
cheers
bob
breezetrees
New member
This is great for the epirb-less like myself. I would like to sign up for this but the registration form requires the PLB info. Is this a mistake or is the beacon required for this race?
-Mike (Firebolt)
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Critter
Desert Ratfox
Mike, that's a leftover from when the registration was set up for the Farallones. The ocean equipment requirements are not in effect for May 12. You also shouldn't need to upload a boat photo. If the system demands it, get in touch with Jackie the Race Info Officer, and she'll change the setup or create a workaround or something computerish like that.