Starting now for 2018 Transpac is not as far in advance as you might think....especially if you have a job. I started about this time for 2016 with Ventus and was amazed at how much there was to do and how quickly time could slip by. It is comforting when you leave to have gone over every inch of the boat in detail....things will still surprise you...but the more you can take apart and put back together the better. The advice about spending lots of time sailing (given already) is excellent but at times hard to accomplish with boat prep. Enjoy the process it is part of the fun.
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Interested in a boat for 2018 TransPac
- Thread starter jamottep
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Long shot but just thought I'd ask anyway ... don't ask don't know ...
Would anyone be interested in renting me a boat for the next 18 months or so? I don't think it's such a far stretched idea. Look at it this way - and this is just an example: $750/month for 20 months, that's $15,000. The boat would need to be near ready and improvement required would be paid by the owner, or if portable I'd take care of it (e.g. portable VHF). More details to be worked out of course. I would have priority for all SSS races until after the 2018 SHTP.
Yes, I read all the comments about how I need to know the boat inside out and that one way to do this is to prepare a boat from scratch.
Oh well ... merry parties to all ...
Would anyone be interested in renting me a boat for the next 18 months or so? I don't think it's such a far stretched idea. Look at it this way - and this is just an example: $750/month for 20 months, that's $15,000. The boat would need to be near ready and improvement required would be paid by the owner, or if portable I'd take care of it (e.g. portable VHF). More details to be worked out of course. I would have priority for all SSS races until after the 2018 SHTP.
Yes, I read all the comments about how I need to know the boat inside out and that one way to do this is to prepare a boat from scratch.
Oh well ... merry parties to all ...
Steevee
New member
Buying an already outfitted boat sounds like an awesome idea. It may save you money in the long run...and during the next 18 months you can sail the shit out of it and break stuff and learn the boat. You'll spend more time sailing than working on it, in which experience and seamanship is a bigger factor in a successful race than the boat... 89% of all rescues at sea are due to operator error, fatigue, illness, injury, etc.(boat prep included). Only 11% of the time was it the boat construction itself to blame.
If you are willing to consider 2020. You could alway wait in Hanalei Bay and offer cash. At that point you could have had Ventus for 25 cents on the dollar.......
Seriously you are on the right track. Many of the expenditures for offshore have little to no wear on them, but have depreciated at lot once used......
Seriously you are on the right track. Many of the expenditures for offshore have little to no wear on them, but have depreciated at lot once used......
svShearwater
Shearwater & Spadefoot
Ha! Spadefoot was for sale in Kaneohe Bay this summer for a fine price too! Now, not so much. Amazing what selective amnesia can do.
Question - Did you barely make it because of time or budget? I'm working on getting my Hobie 33 ready for this race and my biggest problem is money.
That is a heck of an idea! I paid $18k for my Hobie 33 and will probably put another $30k into it to get to the finish line. Not having to spend $6k or $7k to ship back and also haul it back to the east coast.
I can see where some people would consider an offer.
svShearwater
Shearwater & Spadefoot
For us, it was mostly time. Because it was a new boat to us we wanted to sail it a lot. So, we weren't working on the boat every weekend. We were also fortunate to already have a lot of the major safety equipment; life raft, sat phone,etc. still, just getting the electronics installed, the charging system, e rudder, and a million little details, took mucho time.
Oh, and it cost us $3500 to ship a 28 footer via Pasha in 2016. Better pricing than previous years, I think.
mike cunningham
Freedom 30 "Jacqueline"
Assuming you do not plan to sell the boat upon the completion of the race you may want to add another couple of grand to the budget for repairs upon return. Part of my pain was a result of my decision to have the boat sailed back so additional stuff wore out/broke on the return.
In my case
sail repairs at Marchals - $500
rig repairs and replacements $1K
- new main and jib halyards
- new vang tackle
- rebuild traveller
- repair mast and camberspar damage - OK, I spent three weeks doing three days of work - my bad.
Electronics repairs
- replace VHF antenna, twice - $50 Plus mast haul out included in mast damage
- repair and replace stng block and wiring after electrical short - $100
- replace ST to stng converter which failed $100
- repair failed wind instrument - $200
And a LOT of elbow grease to do all of the above. Of course you don't have the time pressure like you do getting ready for the race but its still a lot of work. Having said this I can't believe I am already thinking about the next laundry list to get everything in shape for the 2017 LongPac. Crap!
In my case
sail repairs at Marchals - $500
rig repairs and replacements $1K
- new main and jib halyards
- new vang tackle
- rebuild traveller
- repair mast and camberspar damage - OK, I spent three weeks doing three days of work - my bad.
Electronics repairs
- replace VHF antenna, twice - $50 Plus mast haul out included in mast damage
- repair and replace stng block and wiring after electrical short - $100
- replace ST to stng converter which failed $100
- repair failed wind instrument - $200
And a LOT of elbow grease to do all of the above. Of course you don't have the time pressure like you do getting ready for the race but its still a lot of work. Having said this I can't believe I am already thinking about the next laundry list to get everything in shape for the 2017 LongPac. Crap!
svShearwater
Shearwater & Spadefoot
Didn't the first to finish Olson 30 sell in Hawaii this year?
I think the story was that someone tried to sail it back home but it was taking too much water in (hence my original concern about Double Espresso being wet inside) and he turned around after a few days. I think you're right that it was sold in HI after that.
Speaking of life rafts, I'm planning on renting one from http://www.avalonrafts.com/index.htm, anyone have experience with this company?
Oceanslogic
New member
This could be a nice platform for the SHTP...
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/5938230133.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/5938230133.html
Philpott
Cal 2-27 Dura Mater
Very nice boat indeed. Note the transom-hung rudder; no rudder post issues: packing, breaking, etc. Simple emergency rudder replacement. I have a friend from Kauai who has gone back and forth on this boat twice. He says it is comfortable on the ocean.
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Rudder replacement in the ocean means you will need a cassette that you can slot the replacement rudder into. Or some sort of swing down mechanism. Unless the boat is perfectly still in the water you will almost certainly not be able to put the rudder back on and line things up; any water movement gives the rudder much much more leverage than you can manage. Certainly one advantage is a bent rudder post won't leave you with a jammed rudder and unable remove it. Rudder post allows below decks autopilots to be more easily installed (keeping stuff out of the saltwater.....generally good). Keep in mind whatever autopilot is attached to the tiller may be lost depending on how the transom hung rudder fails.
Boats looks solid......grab it and get started!!
Boats looks solid......grab it and get started!!
svShearwater
Shearwater & Spadefoot
I agree with Chris. I'd much prefer a rudder post than a transom hung rudder, primarily because your autopilot options are much better (operationally and longevity) if you have a rudder post where you can attach the autopilot belowdecks.
Also, transom hung rudders have a history of failures going to Hawaii. Primarily with failed gudgeons. Perhaps, the failure rate is no higher than standard rudders. I can't say for sure.
The advantage of a transom hung rudder seems to begin only after the failure. Easy to remove and it implies your boat is already setup with a tiller which makes the e-rudder tiller easier to implement and connect to an autopilot. With our e-rudder we were able to add some nice redundancies. We made the gudgeons of the e-rudder identical spacing as the primary gudgeons. This means if the primary gudgeons fail, the primary rudder could be moved to the secondary gudgeons (assuming the sea state permits this). It also means that if the primary rudder blade fails, then the e-rudder cassette can be attached to the primary gudgeons, on centerline.
Also, transom hung rudders have a history of failures going to Hawaii. Primarily with failed gudgeons. Perhaps, the failure rate is no higher than standard rudders. I can't say for sure.
The advantage of a transom hung rudder seems to begin only after the failure. Easy to remove and it implies your boat is already setup with a tiller which makes the e-rudder tiller easier to implement and connect to an autopilot. With our e-rudder we were able to add some nice redundancies. We made the gudgeons of the e-rudder identical spacing as the primary gudgeons. This means if the primary gudgeons fail, the primary rudder could be moved to the secondary gudgeons (assuming the sea state permits this). It also means that if the primary rudder blade fails, then the e-rudder cassette can be attached to the primary gudgeons, on centerline.
Oceanslogic
New member
Who is still looking for a boat? Here's another nice looking platform...
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/5956235065.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/boa/5956235065.html
I'm almost there. In fact a couple questions:
1. Is the life raft requirement only for the SHTP or does it also apply to the singlehanded Farallones and LongPac? I have an opportunity to buy one but it's due for service two months before the SHTP 2018. So I'm inclined to not acquire if not needed for the prior races.
2. I should have a boat here soon and I am signed up for the Three Bridge Fiasco. But ... I have zero experience racing. Would anyone want to help me with my first race? It's an Olson 30.
Thanks for sharing your advise so far.
1. Is the life raft requirement only for the SHTP or does it also apply to the singlehanded Farallones and LongPac? I have an opportunity to buy one but it's due for service two months before the SHTP 2018. So I'm inclined to not acquire if not needed for the prior races.
2. I should have a boat here soon and I am signed up for the Three Bridge Fiasco. But ... I have zero experience racing. Would anyone want to help me with my first race? It's an Olson 30.
Thanks for sharing your advise so far.
The Smokester
New member
The 2015 Longpac required a liferaft similar to the SHTP2016. Not the Farallons.
The 2015 MERs (Minimum Equipment Requirements) are here:
https://www.jibeset.net/JACKY000.php?RG=T005953377