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Just texted w/ sailing friend in Austin, TX. 20 degrees, no water, no power, and 40% of the city may not regain utilities until later this afternoon, earliest. The mayor of Austin can only communicate from his car.
I'd hoped to crew aboard a Wylie39 in the Corinthian, but the experienced skipper just wrote: "Corinthian entries opened Monday to allow 16 more entries. I have been unsuccessful in getting a PHRF renewal from YRA ( Laura is not responding to my emails or phone calls) and I was unable to join SSS and enter the race. I may still join, or just try to enter the Round the Rocks race when that opens up....I’ll see if I can enter the Round the Rocks, but if it is the only race I’ll do with SSS this year I’d rather not spend twice as much to join SSS. Members get the first shot at entering, and it seems to fill up quickly. I don’t seem to be successful at getting the timing right."
Hope to see you all for Round-the-Rocks!
Unless, of course, you are first to correctly answer the next quiz and visit CBC before RtR to collect your edible winnings.
I'd hoped to crew aboard a Wylie39 in the Corinthian, but the experienced skipper just wrote: "Corinthian entries opened Monday to allow 16 more entries. I have been unsuccessful in getting a PHRF renewal from YRA ( Laura is not responding to my emails or phone calls) and I was unable to join SSS and enter the race. I may still join, or just try to enter the Round the Rocks race when that opens up....I’ll see if I can enter the Round the Rocks, but if it is the only race I’ll do with SSS this year I’d rather not spend twice as much to join SSS. Members get the first shot at entering, and it seems to fill up quickly. I don’t seem to be successful at getting the timing right."
Hope to see you all for Round-the-Rocks!
Unless, of course, you are first to correctly answer the next quiz and visit CBC before RtR to collect your edible winnings.
Capitola Boat Club does not discriminate in its fleet. Paddle, pedal, row, sail, power, surf, canoes, models, all are welcome, including MM's 47' ULDB powerboat SARISSA (IMHO coolest powerboat on SF Bay) and radio controlled like Craig and Vicky's new schooner MAGIC at Morro Bay.
Unfortunately, NYYC has declined reciprocal membership to CBC. Was it something I said on another forum regarding American Magic's America's Cup Challenge CEO's recent baloney about sailing for the America's Cup? Or was it our burgee?
If the NYYC is honest about “creating an America’s Cup culture in American sailing, and not just racing to bring the Cup back to America, but racing to bring American yachting back to the Cup,” then let’s incorporate American talent at the top levels instead of a Kiwi skipper who last raced for the Japanese team.
And no women on the NYYC AMERICAN MAGIC sailing team? I call shame and BS.
When AMERICAN MAGIC's skipper Terry Hutchinson was asked “why a Kiwi at the helm, and not an American” two years ago, he stated “not enough experience in the American ranks.” But wait, the current Match Racing World Champion is an American. And more than a few World Class women are making names for themselves. One in mind was recently named NYYC Sailor of the Year and received the coveted Mosbacher Trophy.
No worries, American Magic's AC-75 PATRIOT, costing a reported $10 million/race to sail, would probably capsize on its mooring here in front of CBC. And our local kelp fields would severely hamper its getting up on foils....But please, don't cut it up for hi-tech landfill like its discarded sister DEFIANT.
Unfortunately, NYYC has declined reciprocal membership to CBC. Was it something I said on another forum regarding American Magic's America's Cup Challenge CEO's recent baloney about sailing for the America's Cup? Or was it our burgee?
If the NYYC is honest about “creating an America’s Cup culture in American sailing, and not just racing to bring the Cup back to America, but racing to bring American yachting back to the Cup,” then let’s incorporate American talent at the top levels instead of a Kiwi skipper who last raced for the Japanese team.
And no women on the NYYC AMERICAN MAGIC sailing team? I call shame and BS.
When AMERICAN MAGIC's skipper Terry Hutchinson was asked “why a Kiwi at the helm, and not an American” two years ago, he stated “not enough experience in the American ranks.” But wait, the current Match Racing World Champion is an American. And more than a few World Class women are making names for themselves. One in mind was recently named NYYC Sailor of the Year and received the coveted Mosbacher Trophy.
No worries, American Magic's AC-75 PATRIOT, costing a reported $10 million/race to sail, would probably capsize on its mooring here in front of CBC. And our local kelp fields would severely hamper its getting up on foils....But please, don't cut it up for hi-tech landfill like its discarded sister DEFIANT.
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Philpott
Cal 2-27 Dura Mater
As a privileged peachie-colored woman, I am registered for the Corinthian. You are welcome to sail as my crew, and I will even let you drive a bit. I know you prefer those big fast boats, but sailing can be fun even on slow fat boats. Let me know.
Thanks, Philpott, I've committed to driving RUBY. If you'd consider swapping your 3 blade, solid prop, for a Martec, Max Prop, or equivalent, I'd be happy to crew in the future!
Intermission
Member
Couldn't you just make her mark her shaft, so that the 2 blade is in the shadow of the keel?
Hi Intermission
A Cal 2-27 fixed (solid) prop is well aft of the keel and there is little, if any, hydrodynamic "shadow," and no reason to mark and align shaft, which is especially difficult before a shorthanded race.
Though Northern Calif. PHRF gifts 3 sec/mile for a fixed (solid) 2 blade and 6 sec/mile for a fixed (solid) 3 blade, the actual detriment to speed would be more fairly 3 minutes/mile and 6 minutes/mile.
A fixed (solid) prop for racing, especially one directly in front of the rudder, is equivalent to sailing with a dirty bottom. Any time the boat is down speed, as in tacks, and lighter winds < 15knots, boat speed and pointing ability suffers, and rudder efficiency is compromised.
It is only when the boat is fully powered up, as in a SF Bay summer afternoon breeze, that the 2 blade fixed (solid) prop can be competitive and only then if you are not tacking, or attempting to point.
That said, I am a advocate of 2 blade fixed (solid) props mostly for their utilitarian purpose. It's much less expensive, has zero moving parts to fail, and backs the boat smartly, three qualities which Martec (folding) fail. Max Props (feathering) do reverse well, and their drag is only slightly more than a folding prop. But they are hideously expensive.
One must remember to lock solid props either in gear or with a shaft lock when sailing at speed so they don't rotate. This has happened more than once on big race boats returning from Transpac who have substituted a fixed (solid) 3 blade cruising prop for the 2,500 mile delivery home.
One Santa Cruz 70 left Hono for LA and was close reaching at 10-12 knots when its 3 blade cruising prop started rotating in gear, pumping water into the engine. In short order, the engine would not run and they returned to Hono and had to replace the Yanmar 4 cylinder diesel. Such repairs and replacement, including downtime and yard bills, to get the boat home, end up being very expensive, nearing 6 figures.
Here's 2 prop stories of which I am intimately familiar. The Prime Minister of England had a new Ron Holland design, MORNING CLOUD, especially built for the Admiral's Cup. The boat proved abysmally slow, and eventually dropped out of a critical Admirals Cup Race, pretty much ending Edward Heath's storied sailing career. Ron took some heat. But it was then revealed MORNING CLOUD's 2 blade Max Prop, aligned and feathered behind the keel, wasn't feathering! It was like sailing around towing a bucket. This whole disappointing scenario could have been avoided had Ron stipulated a prop window in the design specs. Or a folding prop.
The second story is more uplifting. Darcy and Molly Whiting and family from New Zealand were cruising their Whiting 47 TEQUILA on a Pacific voyage to California and return. Darce had replaced their Martec folding prop with a 2 blade fixed (solid) prop. At sea, for some reason, the 2 blade fell off. No problem for them. They stopped at remote Palmyra Island for a week or two, during which time Darcy carved a new, 2 blade, solid prop out of a fallen ironwood tree. He even carved a spare! It worked so well, that when TEQUILA visited Santa Cruz months later, she still had the wood prop. And Darcy didn't go back to a bronze prop until they got home to Auckland. (I believe the ironwood prop is now a trophy in memory of Darcy Whiting, a unique character if there ever was one.)
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Intermission
Member
Another fantasy shattered.
Thanks, Skip.
Thanks, Skip.
Cover Craft
New member
My favorite Martec prop story...
It must have been in the very early ‘80s when I went along on a sail check in Santa Cruz with my boss Jim Dewitt, as we had just completed and delivered the sails for a new Santa Cruz 50, one of the early Chardonnay charter boats. Under power, returning to the slip, which was way down by the bridge in a fairly tight spot for a boat that size, Bill Lee was at the helm.
We were approaching the bridge at a pretty good clip, passing the dock and raising some eyebrows aboard when Bill put it in reverse, nonchalantly stepped around the binnacle to face aft, and revved up the engine... a lot! And proceeded to back right into the slip without touching a fender. He then smiled and said, “Who says Martec props don’t back down?”
I was always a fan after that.
Tom K
It must have been in the very early ‘80s when I went along on a sail check in Santa Cruz with my boss Jim Dewitt, as we had just completed and delivered the sails for a new Santa Cruz 50, one of the early Chardonnay charter boats. Under power, returning to the slip, which was way down by the bridge in a fairly tight spot for a boat that size, Bill Lee was at the helm.
We were approaching the bridge at a pretty good clip, passing the dock and raising some eyebrows aboard when Bill put it in reverse, nonchalantly stepped around the binnacle to face aft, and revved up the engine... a lot! And proceeded to back right into the slip without touching a fender. He then smiled and said, “Who says Martec props don’t back down?”
I was always a fan after that.
Tom K
Mini-MAGIC's bronze turnbuckles, each fully functional and about 2" long.
AlanH, I knew you'd be an admirer of the new mini-MAGIC and posed some questions to Craig, who has owned, designed, crewed, navigated, and skippered schooners inshore and offshore the majority of his years.
Here's Craig's comments:
"Yes, the body of the winches will serve as turning “blocks” for the sheets of the loose-footed foresail and the headsail. As you suggested, these will be pivoting around a vertical bolt/bushing/cap combination. No need for a ratchet as the sheeting in or easing out occurs below deck at the R/C servo – as the working sheets come in on one side, the other lazy sheets are eased out automatically. (Sounds like a Scott Easom rig, hihi)
Initially, reefing gear will not be rigged…but!!... the R/C transmitter has the ability to handle 6 to 12 channels and we will only be using 3 to sail her, so if I have nothing else to do….
The sails are ordered from a quilting lady nearby.
Hollow spruce masts are planned. The foregaff will be very light as well. Camera(s) can be rigged aboard to record that screaming broad reach across Morro Bay you wrote about ;-) The Dorades will be hollow, but will not vent below.
Displacement is calculated at 60 lbs in salt water. I suspect that the boat, minus her ballast keel, may come in in the 25-30 # range, so the lead bulb on the bottom of her (future) “daggerboard-style” fin keel should help keep her upright (depending upon how far down I hang the thing.)
A friend who builds similar sized R/C schooners put a recording GPS unit aboard one of his boats and clocked his on several runs. He ran the calculation to get a scale speed and was hitting 9-11 (scaled) knots reaching. It will be fun to do the same with m-MAGIC once I get her sorted out in her sea trials.
I will, no doubt, think up other projects to do on her, should I be granted enough tinkering time."
The future MAGIC crossing Morro Bay under full sail? Hot Dog!
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I'm only moderately familiar with skippering Radio Controlled (RC) boats, the most recent being Dan Newlands in Port Townsend, WA. At Kawau Island in New Zealand I stepped off WILDFLOWER to participate in the Electron Class World Champs being held in the pastoral bay where we were anchored.
This token "Yank from Cali" was rumored to be a professional racer, but only mid-fleet in the 23 x 5 minute buoys races against 17 other Electrons.
I was less a pushover in the distance race, about a mile around the bay. While standing on the dock, with the RC control hung around my neck, I managed to work out a lead of 25 yards in the 8 knot, shifty breeze. The windward mark was a mooring buoy on the other side of the Bay, 200 yards distant.
My little boat had apparently reached the turning mark as I squinted, trying to improve my depth perception at that distance. When I was confident I'd overstood the mark a safe distance I bore off and....and...
My Electron stuck its pointy bow firmly into the styrofoam buoy. It took an agonizing few minutes to borrow a dinghy and row out to unstick my boat, now woefully a full lap behind the leaders...
"Hotshot Yank, eh?" I was ribbed mercilessly at the trophy awards.
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With this in mind, I asked Craig the range of his RC control for his new little schooner MAGIC as she will zip across Morro Bay, about .5 miles wide at low tide. " RC signal travels line of sight" Craig said, "But don't really know yet how far 'til we get her launched and sailing."
For a bag of Tom's Best Ever Granola, what happens to MAGIC if she loses her RC signal from Craig standing on the eastern shore?
1. MAGIC will continue straight across the Bay until she comes gently to rest in the mud and eel grass on the sand spit. Craig will retrieve with his canoe.
2. MAGIC's 3rd RC channel will default, ease sheets on the other 2 channels and drop the one pound, miniature CQR anchor and 30 feet of spectra cord anchor rode. Craig will again retrieve with canoe.
3. MAGIC automatically tacks and assumes a reciprocal course back to her skipper.
4. All sails ease out and automatically lower into their lazy jacks. Boat drifts slowly downwind and Craig retrieves.
5. MAGIC heaves to and slowly circles in place until Craig retrieves.
6. Craig has a small drone ready to launch which then relays the RC signal to MAGIC to resume Craig's control.
7. Chula, the ships cat, appears from below after napping in MAGIC's comfy cabin, makes her way aft, gybes the boat, and steers MAGIC back to a bowl of catfood waiting at Vicky's feet.
Only one answer is correct, and you may guess once every 4 hours. Ready, Set, Go!
This token "Yank from Cali" was rumored to be a professional racer, but only mid-fleet in the 23 x 5 minute buoys races against 17 other Electrons.
I was less a pushover in the distance race, about a mile around the bay. While standing on the dock, with the RC control hung around my neck, I managed to work out a lead of 25 yards in the 8 knot, shifty breeze. The windward mark was a mooring buoy on the other side of the Bay, 200 yards distant.
My little boat had apparently reached the turning mark as I squinted, trying to improve my depth perception at that distance. When I was confident I'd overstood the mark a safe distance I bore off and....and...
My Electron stuck its pointy bow firmly into the styrofoam buoy. It took an agonizing few minutes to borrow a dinghy and row out to unstick my boat, now woefully a full lap behind the leaders...
"Hotshot Yank, eh?" I was ribbed mercilessly at the trophy awards.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/)/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
With this in mind, I asked Craig the range of his RC control for his new little schooner MAGIC as she will zip across Morro Bay, about .5 miles wide at low tide. " RC signal travels line of sight" Craig said, "But don't really know yet how far 'til we get her launched and sailing."
For a bag of Tom's Best Ever Granola, what happens to MAGIC if she loses her RC signal from Craig standing on the eastern shore?
1. MAGIC will continue straight across the Bay until she comes gently to rest in the mud and eel grass on the sand spit. Craig will retrieve with his canoe.
2. MAGIC's 3rd RC channel will default, ease sheets on the other 2 channels and drop the one pound, miniature CQR anchor and 30 feet of spectra cord anchor rode. Craig will again retrieve with canoe.
3. MAGIC automatically tacks and assumes a reciprocal course back to her skipper.
4. All sails ease out and automatically lower into their lazy jacks. Boat drifts slowly downwind and Craig retrieves.
5. MAGIC heaves to and slowly circles in place until Craig retrieves.
6. Craig has a small drone ready to launch which then relays the RC signal to MAGIC to resume Craig's control.
7. Chula, the ships cat, appears from below after napping in MAGIC's comfy cabin, makes her way aft, gybes the boat, and steers MAGIC back to a bowl of catfood waiting at Vicky's feet.
Only one answer is correct, and you may guess once every 4 hours. Ready, Set, Go!
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Thank you Philpott. #1 seems a wise answer. Unfortunately for your granola fix, it is not the correct one.
You can guess again at 12:15 pm if no one has answered correctly by then. PS: hint: do not under estimate Craig, Vicky, or Chula's ingenuity. These are schooner people, a whole different breed of sailor.
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MAGICdreamer
Member
Oh, my!! Skip is on a roll.
Chula approves.
Craig
Chula approves.
Craig
I would think option 4 is mostly likely.
(The others are highly entertaining)
Ants
Hi Ants, Greetings from Capitola! Chuck Hawley presenting tonight on an SSS webinar should be highly entertaining. He's raced 2 SHTP's, 1980 in a Moore 24. And 1982 in an Olson 30..Chuck's 6'3", what was he thinking sailing a Moore 24 to Hawaii? I guess we will hear. Chuck thought he'd won in 1980, and then came in a 41 year old, displacement hull, woodie Golden Gate class to take the marbles ...https://www.sfbaysss.org/forum/show...uest-Speaker-is-Chuck-Hawley-Wed-Feb-17-7-p-m
I'm sorry, your answer, #4, to the quiz is not correct, but good guess. You can try another entertaining answer at 1:18 pm. Hugs to Marsha.
~sleddog
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BobJ
Alerion 38 "Surprise!"
I'll guess #6.
As a kid I visited Spreckles Lake. R/C sailboats were not yet the thing there. Most of the boats were still free-sailing pond yachts, directed by long poles when near the shore. The boats were hand-made and most were gorgeous.
Some years later I built and raced a Soling 50/800. It had three channels - helm, sheets (combined main and jib) and a jib fine-tune. We raced mostly on ponds in the East Bay but once over on Spreckles Lake. By then the tension between the free-sailors and R/C'ers was palpable. But the biggest problem was the R/C plane guys. There was a row of trees along one side of the pond, and they flew their planes on the other side of the trees. As radio channels proliferated, there started to be overlaps. It wasn't too bad if one of the planes suddenly came up on a sailboat channel, but it was catastrophic if one of us unexpectedly came up on one of their channels. The pilot walked over to show us the pieces.
Edit: Since I was wrong, I'll add that I considered #3 and #5. But if Sled is being precise with his terms, neither answer is possible.
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As a kid I visited Spreckles Lake. R/C sailboats were not yet the thing there. Most of the boats were still free-sailing pond yachts, directed by long poles when near the shore. The boats were hand-made and most were gorgeous.
Some years later I built and raced a Soling 50/800. It had three channels - helm, sheets (combined main and jib) and a jib fine-tune. We raced mostly on ponds in the East Bay but once over on Spreckles Lake. By then the tension between the free-sailors and R/C'ers was palpable. But the biggest problem was the R/C plane guys. There was a row of trees along one side of the pond, and they flew their planes on the other side of the trees. As radio channels proliferated, there started to be overlaps. It wasn't too bad if one of the planes suddenly came up on a sailboat channel, but it was catastrophic if one of us unexpectedly came up on one of their channels. The pilot walked over to show us the pieces.
Edit: Since I was wrong, I'll add that I considered #3 and #5. But if Sled is being precise with his terms, neither answer is possible.
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Hi BobJ
#6 is a good guess. But sorry, no granola for you at this time..Try again in 4 hours. I'm off to go paddling, and will check back shortly after noon.
Philpott
Cal 2-27 Dura Mater
I can't believe I'm grocery shopping with the alarm set on my phone, but that's how it is when you are part of a sailing culture run by a lunatic called Cat Whisperer.
In case I'm stuck in my red circle outside Market Hall's produce store where there is no phone service, I'd like it on the record (at 12:14) that my bet is on #6. Otherwise I'll just have to drive up to Star Market and wait in one of the red circles there.
In case I'm stuck in my red circle outside Market Hall's produce store where there is no phone service, I'd like it on the record (at 12:14) that my bet is on #6. Otherwise I'll just have to drive up to Star Market and wait in one of the red circles there.
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