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ronnie simpson
Peterson 34 "QUIVER"
Plan B has slowly become Plan A. Unless someone gives me money or a faster boat, it's looking like i'm racing 2012 on the Albin Cumulus. I am planning a short cruise after the race; most likely sailing to Palmyra and Kiritimati and then back to Hawaii and either offloading the boat, staying put, or just heading back to Hong Kong.
Any interest in a race to Palmyra? I am dead serious. Would be probably 5-10 days depending on boat and conditions... I'm sure it would be very unofficial in a Jester Challenge sort of way, but I think it sounds like a good time.
Any interest in a race to Palmyra? I am dead serious. Would be probably 5-10 days depending on boat and conditions... I'm sure it would be very unofficial in a Jester Challenge sort of way, but I think it sounds like a good time.
ronnie simpson
Peterson 34 "QUIVER"
I am planning on getting to San Francisco from San Diego in 2012 for the Shtp. Planning on getting there in March or April and leaving it there until I return a week before the race starts. Any of you SHTP veterans see a problem with my plans? Also planning on sailing it back to California (weather permitting).
Tushar
Tushar
Phil MacFarlane
New member
Tushar,
No problem with your plan as long as you and your boat are both thoroughly ready to sail to Hawaii and back.
March and April can get breezy on the Cal. Coast so try to give your self some flexibility on getting her up here.
I don’t think there is any issue getting a slip around here these days, and there are lots of sailing resources.
No problem with your plan as long as you and your boat are both thoroughly ready to sail to Hawaii and back.
March and April can get breezy on the Cal. Coast so try to give your self some flexibility on getting her up here.
I don’t think there is any issue getting a slip around here these days, and there are lots of sailing resources.
Culebra
New member
Well, the General would know. So you have to pay heed to Harrier. But I also think Phil has it right... to elaborate, March does still deliver some big storms and seas, and you really do have to avoid the big ones. But if you time it right, you could ride southerly winds up the coast with a weak low pressure system, for a little while anyway. Later on in spring, the gradients along the coast often get huge, and I think that's what Harrier is referring to. Not as dangerous as the storms, but winds and seas are big and right on the nose. In any case, you're bound to get some weather for part of it. So I'd suggest studying the very few ports along the way, and plan for contingencies if the weather gets really bad. If the NWerlies are blowing hard, there's Cojo underneath Conception. There's Morro Bay, but the entrance could be awful in a storm. Monterey is good in any weather. Santa Cruz can be a dangerous entrance in a storm. Not well known, but very cool, Ano Nuevo is a nice hideout in NWerlies (anchor away from the kelp beds and don't hit the rock on the left). Pillar Pt is excellent (watch out for the reef, and enter by staying E of the reef at the S end if in a storm, not by going through the reef at the N end near Mavericks). And that's about it. If your boat is in good shape, it sounds like a fine adventure.
Paul/Culebra
Paul/Culebra
I am considering the race, but have major issues with time, both in getting a new (to me) boat ready and stealing from myself (I lost the illusion that one is free to do as he pleases when self employed is really a delusion, for me at least) Because I would like to do the Baha Ha Ha before I die, I was considering bringing the boat to San Diego, which is about 2700 miles, as opposed to going back to San Francisco, decommissioning the boat (which would be extra expensive as it is a trimaran) and loading it on my trailer. Its probably to big to ship economically. Can anyone give me a reasonable amount of time it might take in late july/early august to sail back, the prevailing winds and conditions. My boat should be reasonably quick, but is not a dedicated racer like a Farrier 31.
At this point I cannot be considered probable entry, because I do not know how long its going to take me to get the boat operational, but if things come together I might be able to do it.
Jim
Jim
At this point I cannot be considered probable entry, because I do not know how long its going to take me to get the boat operational, but if things come together I might be able to do it.
Jim
Jim
tiger beetle
N/M 45 Tiger Beetle
I would wager an average return time from Hanalei to San Francisco of 18-21 days, roughly. Add to that 2-3 days extra to arrive in San Diego as compared to San Francisco. At least that's been my experience. It depends to a degree on the amount of fuel carried to motor across the southern edge of the Pacific High, and where the High is positioned when you depart Hanalei.
- rob/beetle
Port San Louie & San Simeon
I think you can add in Port San Louie (S. of Morro Bay) and San Simeon (N. of Morro Bay. Both are "doable" if Morro Bay's too rough - and it often is that time of year. Morro's entrance is narrow and shallow on both sides, so rollers just roll on across the entrance. Be sure to check with the Morro Bay CG if there's any question. Not a good approach in fog or darkness either without radar.
It's a long slog from the Morro Bay area to Monterey, with real shelter (without specific local knowledge).
Pat Broderick (been there, done that, survived in Loran C days)
I think you can add in Port San Louie (S. of Morro Bay) and San Simeon (N. of Morro Bay. Both are "doable" if Morro Bay's too rough - and it often is that time of year. Morro's entrance is narrow and shallow on both sides, so rollers just roll on across the entrance. Be sure to check with the Morro Bay CG if there's any question. Not a good approach in fog or darkness either without radar.
It's a long slog from the Morro Bay area to Monterey, with real shelter (without specific local knowledge).
Pat Broderick (been there, done that, survived in Loran C days)
Rob
Thanks for the info. Can I assume that it will primarily light and variable? I don't have a pilot chart. The total time would be a deal breaker between the race and the return. If it becomes possible to put it together with the boat I would need to find some of the idle rich I guess, who have sailing skills, who might be able to deliver it for me.
Jim
Thanks for the info. Can I assume that it will primarily light and variable? I don't have a pilot chart. The total time would be a deal breaker between the race and the return. If it becomes possible to put it together with the boat I would need to find some of the idle rich I guess, who have sailing skills, who might be able to deliver it for me.
Jim
tiger beetle
N/M 45 Tiger Beetle
It will be windy on departure from Hanalei, light going under or through the High, then windy again approaching coast in typical return conditions.
A typical departure from Hanalei will put you heading north or west of north in 15-20 knot tradewinds, sailing north for 500-700 miles - figure a week or a bit less of bashing north. Somewhere along that track you hope to intercept the Pacific High, and either tack east along under it in light air, or go a bit further north and motor east - usually around 38-40 degrees north latitude as you head east.
It's then a week of moving east through or beneath the High, and then you pop out into the north westerly breeze coming around the eastern edge of the High - and then you'd drop south to San Diego (assuming that's where you're headed).
So it's a reasonably lengthy passage from Hanalei to San Diego. It's also half of the run of doing the race!
- rob
tiger beetle
N/M 45 Tiger Beetle
Give Matson a telephone call and see if they still do RO-RO (roll-on, roll-off) out of San Diego. This will give you a good baseline to work with, there are likely to be other group-rates set up as time goes by, but it's a bit early for that.
To do RO-RO, you will need a solid trailer, seriously strong tie-down straps, and plan to sail the boat over to Ala Wai after the race (usually not the most mellow of trips).
- rob/beetle
Shipping a Boat Home from Hawaii
My understanding is that MATSON ships out of Oakland and PASHA ships out of San Diego. I know Matson calls at Kuaii, but I'm not sure about PASHA. PASHA does offer inter island boat shipping, but I'm not sure how that works.
Usually both companies offer a "special" during the PacCup/SSS TransPac year. The "special" usually includes shipping your empty trailer over, shipping the boat/trailer combo back - with no extra fee for the length of the mast. Your fee is based on the "box" formed by the length/width/height of the trailer/boat combo. You pay by the cubic footage of that package rather than the weight.
Both companies run bi-weekly service and each has one ship with roll on-roll off capabilities. That means if you can ship your trailer about a week prior to the race, it will be waiting for you. If you're lucky, you can get your boat packed up and on the trailer and catch the boat back without having to wait 2 weeks and pay storage fees over there.
You will pay yard fees for hauling/pulling the mast/etc. You will probably pay some sort of fee for hauling your trailer/boat from the boatyard to the shipping facility. In Honolulu that's about $550 + $100 for the yard to hook your trailer onto the towing truck - all on top of the other yard fees.
For a 30' Wyliecat, Matson charged about $4500 for shipping. The yard/towing fees in Honolulu added close to another $2000 to that cost. You might avoid excessive towing fees by renting a pickup, but remember you'll be under tremendous time pressures to meet deadlines without the resources you might have at home. You might even be able to find a launch ramp and haul your boat that way - a few of the 24-27 foot boats managed that in last year's PacCup. The trick was that you had to be able to get the mast down without a crane and get the trailer deep enough for the keel. It was hairy/scary! It took almost 20 people under an Express 27 to "hump" it into position on the trailer after the pull out.
Matson's website is <www.matson.com> and Pasha's <pashahawaii.com>
Pat Broderick
My understanding is that MATSON ships out of Oakland and PASHA ships out of San Diego. I know Matson calls at Kuaii, but I'm not sure about PASHA. PASHA does offer inter island boat shipping, but I'm not sure how that works.
Usually both companies offer a "special" during the PacCup/SSS TransPac year. The "special" usually includes shipping your empty trailer over, shipping the boat/trailer combo back - with no extra fee for the length of the mast. Your fee is based on the "box" formed by the length/width/height of the trailer/boat combo. You pay by the cubic footage of that package rather than the weight.
Both companies run bi-weekly service and each has one ship with roll on-roll off capabilities. That means if you can ship your trailer about a week prior to the race, it will be waiting for you. If you're lucky, you can get your boat packed up and on the trailer and catch the boat back without having to wait 2 weeks and pay storage fees over there.
You will pay yard fees for hauling/pulling the mast/etc. You will probably pay some sort of fee for hauling your trailer/boat from the boatyard to the shipping facility. In Honolulu that's about $550 + $100 for the yard to hook your trailer onto the towing truck - all on top of the other yard fees.
For a 30' Wyliecat, Matson charged about $4500 for shipping. The yard/towing fees in Honolulu added close to another $2000 to that cost. You might avoid excessive towing fees by renting a pickup, but remember you'll be under tremendous time pressures to meet deadlines without the resources you might have at home. You might even be able to find a launch ramp and haul your boat that way - a few of the 24-27 foot boats managed that in last year's PacCup. The trick was that you had to be able to get the mast down without a crane and get the trailer deep enough for the keel. It was hairy/scary! It took almost 20 people under an Express 27 to "hump" it into position on the trailer after the pull out.
Matson's website is <www.matson.com> and Pasha's <pashahawaii.com>
Pat Broderick
Hanelei to san diego
Rob,
I thought I sent this yesterday, but I can't find it on the forum, so maybe I hit delete instead of send
As I appreciate your preferred route of flight, to go from hanelei to san diego, I would sail north, or west of north, from 11 degrees south of San Diego to 6 degrees north of San Diego, then east for a week, and then back south 6 degrees to San Diego. I do not question that conventional wisdom (apparently), but I am curious as to what sea monster lives on the rhumb line course, that makes it so I'll-advised. What wind or sea conditions are on the rhumb line?
Thanks
Jim
P.s. If I went that way would I be like Charlie and the mta (see kingston trio if not old enough to remember).
Rob,
I thought I sent this yesterday, but I can't find it on the forum, so maybe I hit delete instead of send
As I appreciate your preferred route of flight, to go from hanelei to san diego, I would sail north, or west of north, from 11 degrees south of San Diego to 6 degrees north of San Diego, then east for a week, and then back south 6 degrees to San Diego. I do not question that conventional wisdom (apparently), but I am curious as to what sea monster lives on the rhumb line course, that makes it so I'll-advised. What wind or sea conditions are on the rhumb line?
Thanks
Jim
P.s. If I went that way would I be like Charlie and the mta (see kingston trio if not old enough to remember).
Pacific High, says, "Hi!"
Mostly the ocean directly between California and Hawaii is occupied by the Pacific High during the Summer months - at least in a normal Summer. The reason the Spanish could sail their Manila galleons to and from Mexico for nearly 200 years and never discover Hawaii is that they knew about the high. The route to Manila went South of Hawaii and the return route to N. America went North - sort of along 45º North. Then they coasted down along Oregon, California, Baja California, and to Mexico, sometimes stopping in protected anchorages - like Drake's Bay where the bones of a Manila galleon remain to this day. Captain Cook was surprised when he came upon the Hawaiian Islands in 1778 - and unfortunately for him when he returned a year later he never left the place. The best way to "navigate" a direct route is on the deck of a Matson cargo ship.
Pat B.
Mostly the ocean directly between California and Hawaii is occupied by the Pacific High during the Summer months - at least in a normal Summer. The reason the Spanish could sail their Manila galleons to and from Mexico for nearly 200 years and never discover Hawaii is that they knew about the high. The route to Manila went South of Hawaii and the return route to N. America went North - sort of along 45º North. Then they coasted down along Oregon, California, Baja California, and to Mexico, sometimes stopping in protected anchorages - like Drake's Bay where the bones of a Manila galleon remain to this day. Captain Cook was surprised when he came upon the Hawaiian Islands in 1778 - and unfortunately for him when he returned a year later he never left the place. The best way to "navigate" a direct route is on the deck of a Matson cargo ship.
Pat B.
Pogo2USA806
New member
does anyone has a name at Matson? someone to talk to?