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Sealed transmissions?

Bob
I wasn't trying to needle you...just adding some memory to the discussion. Even after the shafts were sealed, I tried to sail
out. Of course, the positioning in the Corinthian dock area sometimes made that too time consuming. I do remember getting
stuck in the mud, nearby and required the busy tug to pull me off (but not toward the finish!). I really see no point in it, being
as we are all "corinthian" in this endeavor. And you were absolutely correct in pointing out the "friendship" aspects of the race.
And even when most entries had SSB, the check ins were voluntary and added greatly to the participants' enjoyment. The
addition of the "race ruining" penalty for non-check in almost got me to quit! IT ADDS NOTHING TO SAFETY!!! That's what the
requiered EPIRB and LIFERAFT and ROCKETS are for. In my old wooden sloop, I went to Fr Polynesia and back via HI without
those things...safely too...I think. And 3 more passages to HI and back, to boot. Just another story. The only really safe thing
to do is: STAY HOME. After reading the latest list of "hoops" for 2014, I'm likely to do just that....
 
After getting towed out in 2008, I sailed back into the CYC basin and around among the docks. The family wondered if I was having second thoughts but I was just messing around - there was a lot of time before the start. The CYC towing crew finally yelled at me so I headed back out.
 
Please tell me this isn't true that single handed sailors cheat. Tell me they're self reliant, confident and honorable.
-Steve Ludwig

Singlehanded sailors don't cheat. Pathetic cowards cheat.

I'm not aware of anyone cheating other than Richard Konkolski, a Cechoslavokian 27 years ago. He actually told Hal Roth over the radio after being told he was being protested: "You'll never prove anything." Pathetic.

Singlehanded sailors are self reliant by definition. All the ones I've met have been honorable. To live an honorable life is the whole point, isn't it?

Confident? Perhaps you can judge when you get to Hanalei!
 
Thanks Ragnar for your response. My question was a bit dramatic to be sarcastic. I know you all would answer appropriately to those questions.
I had no idea the sealing of engines was done. Even the person who started this thread and posed the question of sealing the engines later regretted it with their statement that they feel dirty for bringing it up and that those who cheat have to live with themselves (I'm paraphrasing here). I agree with WBChristie's latter comment.
Anyway, Rangnar you are one of my inspirations for wanting to do this race when I saw Slacker's placing in the 2012 SHTP. Other inspirations have been Ronnie Simpson, who persevered and hand steered for days when his batteries lost power. Then there's Ruben Gabriel, who's boat was demasted, but did that stop him? No! he jury rigged it and continued on to finish. Those are the examples of single handed sailors who demonstrated seamanship, guts and honor. It is my dream to participate in this race not this year but 2016. I hope it remains true to its beginnings because that's what makes it special. I hope the RC doesn't try to make the SHTP into something it's not. It's a race of sailors who sail what they got, rely on their seamanship, have no expectations of glory (other than personal) and have no sponsors to help them reach the starting line.
 
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I hope it remains true to its beginnings because that's what makes it special. I hope the RC doesn't try to make the SHTP into something it's not. It's a race of sailors who sail what they got, rely on their seamanship, have no expectations of glory (other than personal) and have no sponsors to help them reach the starting line.

Couldn't have said it better - thanks!
 
It's a race of sailors who sail what they got, rely on their seamanship, have no expectations of glory (other than personal) and have no sponsors to help them reach the starting line.
Well, of course, some entrants have had sponsors. We take it all in stride.
 
Ken, it's getting to where you are the only SHTP vet who posts here and who knows the history going farther back - I posted what I knew.


In planning the 2010 race I tried to retain as many of the traditions as possible. I was disappointed to see some of them lost in 2012. It appears more will be lost in 2014 - it's the age we live in I guess.

I have a row of brass SHTP participant plates going down RAG's main bulkhead - two as a racer and two from being on R/C - not nearly as long a row as yours. Remember how getting the plastic one in 2004 bugged you? There will be a lot of "plastic" ones from now on - but not on my boat.

It is apparent that the RC's plans for 2014 have been completely unmasked !
I would like to apologize in advance for the PLASTIC nature of 2014 SHTP.
 
I find that most aspects of the 2012 race diverged from all prior years!

Sealing the propeller shafts has never presented any difficulty.

I know of no new who has carried the weight of an outboard. The ship them for arrival!

More. Later.
 
Interesting observation. The ratings equations don't reflect a correction for engine removal. This is a hole worth investigating.
 
Preventing rotation of transmission in neutral

Per my question: Many transmissions require shifting to reverse when in motion, but then need to be shifted to neutral for battery charging. Who has the expertise to seal a transmission that allows putting it in reverse/neutral without breaking the seal ?

Who did this work in the past and what tools/expertise are required ? Is there a volunteer that is familiar with sealing a transmission that won't cause damage if the prop shaft is engaged ? Someone in the club must know ?

Is the method of sealing unique, or can it be copied with some common items carried aboard somewhere down the course ?

Regarding outboard motors, how are they sealed ? Who is the expert ?

Brian

Hi Brian -

I have a Hurth transmission that is locked in reverse for sailing to prevent free-wheeling of the prop (which destroys the transmission eventually), and placed in neutral for charging. My Newport 33 and my N/M 45 both have a Hurth.

Solution is simple: a strap wrench placed on the shaft-transmission coupling, and the handle of the strap wrench is lashed to a small block of wood (in my case) epoxied to a bit of the engine bed stringeer. Worked super. I also placed a Harken fast-pin at the transmission shift lever, to prevent me from accidentally shifting the transmission into forward while charging.

For outboards - use a tell-tale wire & seal around the propeller and motor casing. again, trivial.

The mechanism was simple, and unique (at least in 1996, 2002, 2004, 2006 races) as the lead seal was embossed with the SSS logo built into the crimp. I even saved mine from prior races - it's a unique seal and part of the race that lives in my memory.

I like the shaft seals, as it suddenly takes away the ability to motor that we're all used to (at least in boats with built-in motors, perhaps the outboard folks are completely used to not having a motor when they are racing).

- rob/beetle
(currently in La Paz, Baja)
 
Bob
I wasn't trying to needle you...just adding some memory to the discussion. Even after the shafts were sealed, I tried to sail
out. Of course, the positioning in the Corinthian dock area sometimes made that too time consuming. I do remember getting
stuck in the mud, nearby and required the busy tug to pull me off (but not toward the finish!). I really see no point in it, being
as we are all "corinthian" in this endeavor. And you were absolutely correct in pointing out the "friendship" aspects of the race.
And even when most entries had SSB, the check ins were voluntary and added greatly to the participants' enjoyment. The
addition of the "race ruining" penalty for non-check in almost got me to quit! IT ADDS NOTHING TO SAFETY!!! That's what the
requiered EPIRB and LIFERAFT and ROCKETS are for. In my old wooden sloop, I went to Fr Polynesia and back via HI without
those things...safely too...I think. And 3 more passages to HI and back, to boot. Just another story. The only really safe thing
to do is: STAY HOME. After reading the latest list of "hoops" for 2014, I'm likely to do just that....

I sincerely hope you compete in this race. The SHTP just wouldn't be the same without you.

Preparing for this race is a daunting undertaking for me, a relative newcomer to single handed sailing.
 
Thank you Rob for the detail. Was the rule such that the skipper set up the seal and the inspector certified and applied a lead seal marker to the entire affair ?

Brian
 
Hi, Rob, are you embargoed?

Hi Jackie -

no, nothing like that happening here on Beetle. I've got all my paperwork in order should anyone want to check it out. Tomorrow I'm heading out to the local island anchorages for a couple of weeks, should be some wonderful sailing and exploring to be done!

- rob
 
Thank you Rob for the detail. Was the rule such that the skipper set up the seal and the inspector certified and applied a lead seal marker to the entire affair ?

Brian
Hi Brian -

the way it worked was a member of the race committee came on board when the boats were assembled at Corinthian YC and worked with skipper to determine how best to seal the shaft with the thin wire, and together the wire was installed and sealed (crimped). Part of the goal is to make sure that if the skipper engaged the transmission the wire would break free and allow the motor to be used - we didn't want a skipper wasting time cutting the wire before using the engine. Took perhaps 10-15 minutes per boat as usually it was pretty straightforward. Most difficult motors to work with were the Volvo sail drives, as you can't actually get at the prop shaft.

- rob
 
There was a fair start on a sunny day, a nice finish, and 2800 miles of wind, waves, dolphins, and competition in between. All else is rather secondary. I thought the race was a wild and great time ! I am sure once again it will be a great time.
 
Right, and I'm sure everyone had their PHRF rating adjusted for having no engine aboard.

Right???

Apologies for my tone with my above comments. It's just that this issue has been eating at me a little bit, and it came out in a poor manner.

To elaborate a little: my quick read on NorCal PHRF requirements are that Certs are issued with auxiliary propulsion or without. I don't know, but I would assume that NorCal PHRF can issue two different Certs with two different configurations for a given boat, one with an engine, one without.

Had I thought about the 2012 SHTP rules more - that I could just rip my engine, fuel tank, shaft, and propeller out without penalty - I would have been more than tempted to, as how could you be competitive otherwise? Or more likely I wouldn't have bothered to do the race at all, because it would have been too much of a PITA, especially bringing my boat in from out of the area.

FWIW, PHRF SoCal is a little different. They require auxiliary propulsion w/ sufficient fuel and only issue Certs on that basis. SoCal also specifies that any changes to the standard interior and rig configuration invalidates the PHRF Cert and must be reported to the PHRF Board.

PSSA uses PHRF ratings and enforces the PHRF requirements. PSSA also sets up its baseline requirements beyond what PHRF requires as to what is generally carried by a prudent mariner, so as to not unfairly punish the prudent mariner for carrying equipment weight that the less prudent may not carry. We also try not to stray too far from ISAF Regs, primarily for insurance purposes and "standard practice".

Each boat's rating should reflect the configuration they are going to Hawaii in.
 
Damn! I wrote a long reply, but the website timed me out and I lost it trying to get back on. Here goes for a 2nd time since I feel it's important! ! ! !

Before this thread turns into a Sailing Anarchy, burn everything in sight thingy, I ask that folks read the NCPHRF Guidelines and even the NCPHRF Meeting Minutes. Both are easily available on the <yra.org> website.

Here's Section VI lifted directly from the NCPHRF Guidelines:

VI. ASSUMPTIONS

As noted previously Certificate ratings are based on sailing courses consisting of beating, reaching and running as well as those
of approximately equal amounts of upwind and off-the-wind sailing on San Francisco Bay and surrounding areas. They should
not be used for predominately downwind racing. Suggestions for modifying the ratings for downwind races are provided in
Article VII

Wind Ranges can be extremely varied as noted in Article 1 with an occasional 30+ knots gear-buster. As noted in Article 1 and
repeated here for emphasis, the ability of a yacht to achieve her best performance in other than the average conditions may be
taken into account when there is a significant difference observed in the yachts design parameters that would better suit her to
either of the extremes of conditions.

The NCPHRF Base Rating assumes that yachts:
A. Are in optimum racing trim with all normal equipment on board;
B. Have hull bottoms that are fair and clean;
C. Have sails in good condition;
D. Have a folding/feathering propeller or a stored or raised outboard;
E. Have no jib LP greater than 155% of J; For some yachts the manufacturer delivered configuration may differ and will
be so annotated in the NCPHRF Base Rating Report;
F. Have mainsail girths not to exceed the maximums for MGU and MGM as
prescribed in Article 7;
G. Have spinnaker, either symmetrical or asymmetrical
H. Have spinnaker maximum girth of 180% of J or 180% of SPL (spinnaker
pole length) whichever is greater;
I. Have spinnaker maximum luff of .95 * [(the greater of I or ISP) 2 +
(the greater of J or SPL) 2 ]1/2; For some yachts the manufacturer delivered configuration may differ and will be so
noted in the NCPHRF Base Rating Report;
J. Are well sailed;
K. Are not ‘stripped out.’ The intent of this rule is that the boat be sailed with all the equipment on board that she had when
the committee assigned the handicap. This means that all the doors, drawers; tables and systems are in place. If it is a
production boat, all the items that are considered stock by the builder are still on board. If it is a custom boat, it should
be as the drawings and photographs presented to the committee. If a rating certificate (IOR, IMS, IRC or MORC) was
presented to help assess the boat’s speed potential, she should have everything onboard that was present at the
measurement. If items have been removed, depending on the weight involved, the committee may adjust the NCPHRF
rating of the boat. An exception to the above stated guideline is that cushions may be removed;
L. All sails must conform to IMS sail dimension limitations, except as may be modified by these Rules and Guidelines.
Boats do not need to meet these guidelines. However, if they do not, the committee must be notified of such changes as
a rating adjustment may be made.
M. The NCPHRF Committee will review cases where the same class may have outboard or inboard engines and, where
appropriate, establish a different base rating for each type of engine.

"D" clearly states that is is assumed the boat has a "feathering/folding prop" or outboard "stored or raised." Clear? If you regularly sail without an engine, you must note that on your NCPHRF application. If you have an outboard and you "occasionally" leave it on the dock you are cheating. Simple.

"K"deals with stripping stuff out of your boat, so if you tear out your engine and tanks or other stuff, you need to tell the NCPHRF Committee that's what you've done and they'll adjust your rating accordingly. It's not fair to get a rating and then shed several hundred pounds. And, it's a good idea to keep some records of what things weighed and even take some photos; they'll most likely ask. A production boat should sail with everything the factory installed unless it has been noted.

Back in my Newport 30 days, tempers flared over "balsa wood" tables replacing 3/4 inch plywood ones; curtains replacing mahogany louvered head doors, and other "adjustments" to what was basically a "Cruiser/Racer." The famous "Waterpik" was not allowed to participate in one-design Newport 30 racing due to the modifications to the rudder, keel and rig. In my Coronado 25 days it was an Evinirude 6 (remember?) vs the new, lighter Hondas. "Honda boats" were required to carry 20# of lead in the lazzerette, and competitors checked.

If you think a competitor has modified his/her boat, call them on it. If they don't do anything, contact the NCPHRF Committee; it can call the owner in for a chat. Read the NCPHRF Committee Minutes; they're instructive. At a level of racing above the SSS, boats are constantly changing keels, rigs, sails, even something as minor as a different headstay fitting. "K" attempts to deal with those kinds of changes in all rated boats.

"M" applies to my Wyliecat 30, a production outboard model. Some Wylies have inboards, so I pay a 3-second-per-mile penalty for not dragging a prop through the water. There are other one-designs where inboard vs. outboard is a rating issue. There's even a Bird Boat with an inboard!

So, you can sail without an engine, but you must declare that; however, the ocean races with which I'm familiar have "propulsion" as a requirement for entry. You must sail with the "stuff" that came out of the factory unless you declare it. If you're rated for a small headsail and decide you need a genoa for Hawaii, you need to declare it. The SSS TransPac rating is based on the NCPHRF rating, so if you're not in compliance with the numbers on your Certificate, you're cheating. If you know someone who is out of compliance, I think it's your duty to call them. The "Corinthian Spirit" that SSS folks like to talk about is based on mutual trust because you know each of your competitors is doing the right thing, just as you are.

Since I'm not on the SSS TransPac Committee, I leave it up to them, but my assumption is that all the boats sailing this year will "reflect the configuration they are going to Hawaii in." If you're going to Hawaii and you suspect a boat is not in compliance, it's your duty to call them on it. It's unfair to you and the other competitors if you don't. Additional issues have surfaced in prior SSS TransPacs, including suspected motoring (banding props/transmissions), outside assistance, outside communication for some. The SIs have attempted to address these issues, without putting a boat name on each - just ask some old timers about that. --Pat
 
Thank you P.Broderick - Elaine for your post. Your points are well taken. I have owned my boat for many years and some things have gone out and some things have gone in! I have not raced the boat for over a decade and had not really given much thought to the need to submit those changes to the NCPHRF. Now I will. Elvestrom said it best, ""If in the process of winning you have lost the respect of your competitors you have won nothing."
 
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