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Shorthanded Midwinters 2014/2015

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Solo, I count 13 boats on the current entry list who normally sail shorthanded (wahoo!), and per this thread I think we'll see a couple more by Monday night. This is enough that I'll suggest to the R/C they have two shorthanded divisions. From this thread it sounds like most will be singlehanded, so perhaps the split should be spinnaker vs. non-spinnaker rather than SH vs. DH, or we could ask for a split by PHRF rating.

Per the R/C, there are no rating credits for racing non-spinnaker or for singlehanding. My idea/suggestion is that doublehanders not use autopilots.

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Non-spin: Lightspeed, Daydreamer, Dura Mater, maybe Starbuck, Kynntana (unless re-rated)

Spin or hasn't said: TIJD, Windtrip, Elise, Stink Eye, maybe Ragtime!, Bandicoot (as rated)

Not sure if shorthanded: Sea Star, Summertime Dream, maybe others

Skippers, please tell us what you're thinking and I'll contact Bobbi (BYC R/C) tomorrow evening. BTW, I don't think entries actually close tonight or tomorrow, that's just the cutoff to have enough boats for a separate start. If you don't post here or are having login problems, send me an e-mail: BobsailsSF at the yahoo place. Thanks.
 
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Per the R/C, there are no rating credits for racing non-spinnaker or for singlehanding. My idea/suggestion is that doublehanders not use autopilots.
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Hmmmmm....... well it would be a slam dunk for me to go DH then since I would sail by far faster on a short course DH. I still think SH and/or non-spin should get a 6sec credit or such. Not sure how to make it more fair otherwise other than having separate SH/DH divisions.
 
I would be fastest racing DH spinnaker too, but that's not why I'm doing this.

Bobbi was specific that non-spin credits were a Friday night (casual) thing. I didn't ask about a credit for single-handing, but it looks like there will be very few doublehanders anyway - not enough for their own (sub) division.

If BYC treats it as one big shorthanded division I guess we can cook up our own rating credits, but I personally don't plan to make this uber-competitive.
 
I sailed singlehanded in the BYC chowder race today and that wind sure dies. From 16.5 to ... Well, less. I can pole out my jib and still be considered non spin, right?
 
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Non-spin: Lightspeed, Daydreamer, Dura Mater, maybe Starbuck, Kynntana (unless re-rated)

Spin or hasn't said: TIJD, Windtrip, Elise, Stink Eye, maybe Ragtime!, Bandicoot (as rated)

Not sure if shorthanded: Sea Star, Summertime Dream, maybe others

Skippers, please tell us what you're thinking and I'll contact Bobbi (BYC R/C) tomorrow evening. BTW, I don't think entries actually close tonight or tomorrow, that's just the cutoff to have enough boats for a separate start. If you don't post here or are having login problems, send me an e-mail: BobsailsSF at the yahoo place. Thanks.
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Wow. What a turnout. This is great! I don't have a preference on how the divisions are set up. The reason I'm racing is because a friend of mine has had such a blast on Kynntana that she wants to race more. I'm competitive, too, but this is my first year and right now it's all about just getting over the start line in a respectable time, finishing, and enjoying the day. Because I'll have crew, I would like to practice flying the spinny, so I'd rather not be limited by spin or non-spin although my PHRF was based on not having a spinnaker. I don't even know if this means that I'd be 'cheating' if I were to fly it, but if someone protests, then I won't. Or maybe I should request a new PHRF with spin....? Suggestions welcome.

Carliane
 
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I would like to practice flying the spinny, so I'd rather not be limited by spin or non-spin although my PHRF was based on not having a spinnaker. I don't even know if this means that I'd be 'cheating' if I were to fly it, but if someone protests, then I won't. Or maybe I should request a new PHRF with spin....? Suggestions welcome.

Carliane
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Yes, you need to get K re-rated with spinnaker to be able to race with it. The next PHRF committee meeting is 12/4 so I'd do the first race non-spin, which is good anyway to get used to the course(s) and shorter starting line, etc.

When the time comes, you'll need to give NorCal PHRF your spinnaker dimensions: Luff, leech, foot and mid-girth, and whether you're able to articulate (rotate) the tack aft, out from behind the main.
 
Me too. Better to race SH in an SH Division, than SH in a crewed division I think.
 
Update: It looks like we have 13-14 shorthanded entries - GREAT! BYC's R/C currently plans to split the shorthanded division in two, based solely on PHRF rating. Stink Eye appears to be the median (123) but we'll see where they split it.

As suggested earlier in this thread (not official and not BYC's concern), we could agree on some scoring tweaks and even do some prizes within the shorthanded divisions.

From this thread it appears most boats will be raced singlehanded, so having a singlehanded credit doesn't make much sense. This is good because you could plan to bring somebody along but if they can't make it, you're still eligible to win something for the series. Can we just agree that only singlehanders may use autopilots?

Since approx. half of you posted about racing non-spinnaker, I'm checking into a non-spinnaker credit based on how BYC does it for their Chowders = 4% of your boat's TCF. I'm trying to find out (without doing a bunch of footin' and tickin') how that compares to seconds/mile on a typical Midwinters course scored TOD. The non-spin credit could be done on a race-by-race basis - you just need to tell us which way you raced that day. The credit would be for boats which are already rated to carry spinnakers.

So that's where we are. The official divisions (from BYC) should be up tomorrow (Thursday) night. Again, suggestions are encouraged. Let's make this fun and hopefully we'll have an even larger group next year.
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BobJ said:
Update: It looks like we have 13-14 shorthanded entries - GREAT! BYC's R/C currently plans to split the shorthanded division in two, based solely on PHRF rating. Stink Eye appears to be the median (123) but we'll see where they split it.

As suggested earlier in this thread (not official and not BYC's concern), we could agree on some scoring tweaks and even do some prizes within the shorthanded divisions.

The official divisions (from BYC) should be up tomorrow (Thursday) night. Again, suggestions are encouraged. Let's make this fun and hopefully we'll have an even larger group next year.
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Thanks, Bob! whatever happened to the boat color-fleet? Dura Mater is offwhite. A sure winner in her own fleet, I think. Non spin, for us. See you out there. Hors d'oeuvres afterward in the Clubhouse. Cheetos on board Dura Mater.
 
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... I'm checking into a non-spinnaker credit ... The credit would be for boats which are already rated to carry spinnakers.
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Bob, you haven't written anything that I would contradict, and I'm sure you're aware of this, but for Carliane's and others' benefit I would point out that NCPHRF rates most boats *as if* they were carrying spinnakers. If Kynntana adds a spinnaker, its rating won't change - assuming the spinnaker, pole, etc are of non-penalty dimensions.
Max
 
It's a bit confusing. You need to declare what you're racing with, even if it doesn't change your rating. It gets even more confusing when you offer a non-spinnaker credit: "But you already didn't not have a spinnaker." Personally I don't mind if Kynntana pops a chute but somebody might fuss if it isn't on the certificate, especially if it looks like a "whomper."

Now Dura Mater . . . you never know what she'll show up with:
 
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