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Updates to 2023 NOR

Mike, regarding your #6 - Participation in sailboat racing continues to decline everywhere. I stay in touch with a couple members of our local PHRF committee. They've told me the committee's #1 concern is participation.

The SSS has been able to maintain the numbers for its big three Bay races but even pre-Covid, it has seen significant declines in the rest of its events. It has always been inclusive of all kinds of boats (as long as they qualify for a PHRF certificate) but apparently those days are over. It's not a good time to exclude boats and with over 1,000 events on the NorCal sailing calendar, there are plenty of other options.
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Hi everyone and HNY ! I know a society like this cant last without everyone helping. Not much I can do to help right now on this thread but I did go over my notes for this season yesterday and maybe these will help in a practical way:

1. It isn't clear to a newbie that RC is held responsible by USCG for lost boats and how. Maybe add emphasis to reporting RET and getting an ACK from RC. At my first SSS race someone retired and sailed off but did not report. At the Vallejo race I saw first-hand how difficult it could be for RC to get VMs. Wording is "clear voicemail" but how do you know it is clear? You may think you left a clear VM but often wind noise makes it impossible to understand. Also if you leave a VM from a phone number that isnt known, how do you track it down? Text from a known number linked to a boat seemed to be the best and maybe only way to RET and ACK. What isn't clear from reading the NOR or SI is what a problem it is for RC and then USCG if someone retires but doesn't report.

2. A newbie may not know SIs often change right up to the race. It would be good to either say just that or limit at least the type of changes. For the longer races I stay overnight in SF before the start. Sometimes it is hard to get internet access. For example if Jibset PDFs change at the last minute, its not easy to read them, even on your phone. I know its noon the day before right now but moving that line back 12 hours would make a big difference.

3. I was very surprised at how seriously folks take the rules but when racing and I got a DSC alert that could have been a MOB, it seemed to be ignored by the fleet. I also had a hard time figuring out what was going on with USCG. This event also underscored that if you only get an MMSI in an alert, how to you or RC quickly track that to a boat? I think VHF DSC is needed at least for offshore and at least for RC. I think maybe a list of MMSI and boats should be published. Maybe also more emphasis on when there is an alert you should drop everything? There is a RRS rule change along those lines with new flagging, I think.

4. I think your ask was just for NOR but can I also ask here for more newbie "educational" content in the SIs at least for Farallones, Drake's Bay, HMB and LongPac? For Farallones getting an accurate weather forecast is important. For Drake's Bay, more information on South storms and anchoring locations. For HMB, same and more information about berths in the harbor. For LongPac any information, pointers, links that would help a newbie.

5. A link to the RRS might help. Either https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WSRRS20212024FinalwithChgsandCorrecns201113-[26798].pdf and/or the page https://www.ussailing.org/competition/rules-officiating/the-racing-rules-of-sailing-2021-2024/ Tough to include links when they may get stale, but in this case I think it really helps a newbie. You did put the COLREGS link in, but not to the amalgamated rules at https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/navigation-rules-amalgamated. I'm still not sure what the relationship between versions is exactly or what "When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel that is not, she shall comply with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government right-of-way rules." At least its not spelled out to the level of precision used elsewhere.
 
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RE: 4.10

I would hope that if there is an error made and it is caught after the race that one would be able to correct this before season end? If not it seems a harsh penalty to lose a season championship for a single character out of place.

Hi Solo, Section 4.10 is written so that onus is on the racer to input their registration correctly and the same way each time. If a boat is registered under two different people (whether it's the same person or not) for two different races, then each name will be scored separately. This allows multiple people to use the same boat during the season -- each scored separately.
 
Mike, regarding your #6 - Participation in sailboat racing continues to decline everywhere. I stay in touch with a couple members of our local PHRF committee. They've told me the committee's #1 concern is participation.

The SSS has been able to maintain the numbers for its big three Bay races but even pre-Covid, it has seen significant declines in the rest of its events. It has always been inclusive of all kinds of boats (as long as they qualify for a PHRF certificate) but apparently those days are over. It's not a good time to exclude boats but with over 1,000 events on the NorCal sailing calendar, there are plenty of other options. I wish you all well. It's been a fun 20 years.

Thanks for this input, Bob. This year will be 10 years racing with SSS and the intimidation of racers on the bay is the number one reason I hear from new sailors why they don't do it. It's just not fun. It also saddens me to hear your comment that "apparently those [inclusive] days are over." You have been a great mentor and friend to me. I will miss you out there.
 
Mike, I love these questions! It gives me a chance to give *our* thoughts about the making of the revised NOR. Keep 'em coming but maybe split up your questions into smaller doses. See below responses in red.

Hi everyone and HNY ! I know a society like this cant last without everyone helping. Not much I can do to help right now on this thread but I did go over my notes for this season yesterday and maybe these will help in a practical way:

1. It isn't clear to a newbie that RC is held responsible by USCG for lost boats and how. Maybe add emphasis to reporting RET and getting an ACK from RC. At my first SSS race someone retired and sailed off but did not report. At the Vallejo race I saw first-hand how difficult it could be for RC to get VMs. Wording is "clear voicemail" but how do you know it is clear? You may think you left a clear VM but often wind noise makes it impossible to understand. Also if you leave a VM from a phone number that isnt known, how do you track it down? Text from a known number linked to a boat seemed to be the best and maybe only way to RET and ACK. What isn't clear from reading the NOR or SI is what a problem it is for RC and then USCG if someone retires but doesn't report.

Accounting for all racers is a big issue with every RC on the bay. The SSS RC is responsible for letting USCG know when everyone has finished racing or has retired. We don't get to go home until we can account for everyone, even if that means calling your emergency contacts late at night. The NOR now says you have three ways of getting in touch with RC (text, VHF, or voice mail). What the revised NOR also says in Section 13.2. is that "Retiring is not complete until acknowledged by the Race Committee." This means that if we don't acknowledge your VM or text or you don't hear us respond on VHF because you're behind Coast Guard Island and out of line of sight, then you have not properly retired.

2. A newbie may not know SIs often change right up to the race. It would be good to either say just that or limit at least the type of changes. For the longer races I stay overnight in SF before the start. Sometimes it is hard to get internet access. For example if Jibset PDFs change at the last minute, its not easy to read them, even on your phone. I know its noon the day before right now but moving that line back 12 hours would make a big difference.

The RC's intent is to have SIs correct and uploaded to Jibeset earlier than, but not later than, the Wednesday before each race, but everyone needs to check the SIs to see that they have not been revised, which will be noted in Jibeset, too. It would be rare to keep making changes either the day before or at the start, but schtuff happens and RC reserves that right, especially as it relates to a safety issue or something out of our control like an established mark that breaks from its mooring. I can promise you that I (as RC co-chair) will do my best to announce any written changes over VHF the morning of the race, but it's still your responsibility to know. I might be opening a Pandora Box, but feel free to text the RC and ask them directly. Their contact # will be listed on the SIs. We are being paid beaucoup bucks as RCs, so please be kind with the gripes, if we should mess up anything.

3. I was very surprised at how seriously folks take the rules [OH, you have NO idea....] but when racing and I got a DSC alert that could have been a MOB, it seemed to be ignored by the fleet. I also had a hard time figuring out what was going on with USCG. This event also underscored that if you only get an MMSI in an alert, how to you or RC quickly track that to a boat? I think VHF DSC is needed at least for offshore and at least for RC. I think maybe a list of MMSI and boats should be published. Maybe also more emphasis on when there is an alert you should drop everything? There is a RRS rule change along those lines with new flagging, I think.

This response would take more time and thought than I have right now but suffice it to say that everybody on the water (whether racing or not) has a duty to render service. The very first thing that the RRS says in Section 1.1 is "A boat, competitor or support person shall give all possible help to any person or vessel in danger." But also know that if 30 boats converge on an MOB, then that might not be the best thing either. As was learned with the Low Speed Chase accident, comms on the VHF can also complicate rescue efforts. Every skipper needs to assess what is happening on the water, how close they are to render assistance, and how best to do that. Also, DSC should be standard on every vessel. Knowing how to use it to send or receive a DSC alert is also the responsibility of each skipper. Any thoughts on this from others? Reading the after-accident reports were eye opening and have been helpful tools for me as I continue to progress my experience while cruising and racing.

4. I think your ask was just for NOR but can I also ask here for more newbie "educational" content in the SIs at least for Farallones, Drake's Bay, HMB and LongPac? For Farallones getting an accurate weather forecast is important. For Drake's Bay, more information on South storms and anchoring locations. For HMB, same and more information about berths in the harbor. For LongPac any information, pointers, links that would help a newbie.

Let us consider what we can do. SSS provides seminars for those prepping for SHTP and each race has a skippers meeting that often contains the information that you are seeking; however, it remains the responsibility of each skipper to know what the weather is doing and to know the limitations of yourself, your crew, your vessel, and whether your gear is appropriate for the conditions. When I did some races with BAMA, they had required reading for their offshore races. Check it out! The first time I soloed to Drakes Bay and anchored for the fourth time on my boat in the dark. I then spent the next two hours listening to boats calling for CG assistance as they dragged anchors into each other and onto the shore. It was scary. There are many people on this forum and in the sailing community who can also guide you. Please reach out and brainstorm with people you meet. Michael Jefferson (Mouton Noir) and Dave Morris (Moonshadow and Tri-n-fly) were the primary ones I leaned on (hard) to help me learn as quickly as I could as a new sailor with a 38-footer.

5. A link to the RRS might help. Either https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WSRRS20212024FinalwithChgsandCorrecns201113-[26798].pdf and/or the page https://www.ussailing.org/competition/rules-officiating/the-racing-rules-of-sailing-2021-2024/ Tough to include links when they may get stale, but in this case I think it really helps a newbie. You did put the COLREGS link in, but not to the amalgamated rules at https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/navigation-rules-amalgamated. I'm still not sure what the relationship between versions is exactly or what "When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel that is not, she shall comply with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government right-of-way rules." At least its not spelled out to the level of precision used elsewhere.

Coast Guard rules absolutely RULE in US waters. Racing Rules of Sailing (here's the 2021-2024 PDF: https://d7qh6ksdplczd.cloudfront.ne...S-with-Chgs-and-Corrns-v1to-4_-Jan-1-2023.pdf) govern you only when you're racing under our NOR. An example from my early racing on a friend's Hunter 41 was coming up to a mark and another, faster boat was coming up behind us. Someone on that boat yelled, "We're racing. Get out of the way." We yelled back, "so are we" and that was the end of that. All I ask is, "don't be that guy." Everyone is just trying to enjoy their time on the water, or they have a job to do on the water. And Coast Guard rules us all.
 
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Hi Solo, Section 4.10 is written so that onus is on the racer to input their registration correctly and the same way each time.
Yes but mistakes do happen. I think that if someone puts Steve vs Stephen accidentally for one race there should be a way to rectify this once caught, no? What if it's even a more simple mistake like Steve vs Stece via a simply typo. Again, seems very harsh to say that can't be corrected once caught.
 
Yes but mistakes do happen. I think that if someone puts Steve vs Stephen accidentally for one race there should be a way to rectify this once caught, no? What if it's even a more simple mistake like Steve vs Stece via a simply typo. Again, seems very harsh to say that can't be corrected once caught.

Of course, it absolutely can be corrected but our point is that needs to be done "as soon as possible" (quotes are mine for emphasis) so a boat is not scored separately. The SSS is now going to assume different names with the same boat means different skippers. I believe the easiest way to fix a misspelled entry is to contact Ray at Jibeset but it might be possible someone on the SSS board also has access to the Jibeset registrations and could change it. Let me find out exactly and I will report back here and maybe amend the NOR so that section is clearer. Of course, everyone could just use the "auto input" feature and this would likely never be an issue unless someone is using a new computer, I suppose.
 
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Or even more confusing....what if Johnny Bravo Goode and his son Johnny Bravo Goode II are sailing the same boat in the same season? I think Jibeset names are only so many characters and then they get cut off at the end. This means everyone needs to check their own entries. We are not going to do this for you.
 
Solosailor You're right the scoring will be wrong if the names do not match. Happily, jibeset auto-fills in the names when we register --- so the only way to have the wrong name is to manually change something to be inconsistent. Please don't do that.

GBR3068 You make a number of helpful points. I've forgotten the wording of the Coast Guard permits, but no one wants to call them and say "we started 85 boats, and we know 83 boats finished or retired, so cut us some slack --- we're within 5%." We'd love for every document to be perfect the first time out, but the need for changes does crop up, and so a ~24 hour cutoff on changes is about as far ahead as we feel comfortable committing to written changes. For context, the 2022 SSS NOR used the same cutoff of noon Friday before the race; the 2022 YRA Great Vallejo race cutoff was 1800 on the Friday before the race. Educational material has a home in many places --- the Safety At Sea classes (required for OYRA races and SSS coastal races as part of the "safety equipment requirements") have a nice discussion about how to help in an emergency, for example. And this forum, with your helpful links to the RRS, is another great resource. For anyone looking to understand the rules better, I usually suggest looking at the US Sailing Appeals and World Sailing Cases --- they both are free PDFs and are organized by rule, so it's easy to look up rule 41 (say) in the front, read the short summaries of a few examples, and then flip to the details if interested.

Richard
 
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Hi Carliane, It's just so nice to see you back in the SSS.

DolfinBill
Crealock 37

Hey Bill, thanks. It's so nice to hear from you! I read something about you recently and it brought back many lovely memories of our race together and how kind you were to me. I'm still in the Oakland area if you and Patty are ever up this ways.
 
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Thanks to Pressure Drop who just posted this to their Facebook page. It is a DSC trial at OYC in 2014 with USCG reps that occured before BAMA's doublehanded Farallons race. It's not too long and might have useful tips. https://vimeo.com/89669435
 
Hi Carliane!

>> Keep 'em coming but maybe split up your questions into smaller doses. See below responses in red.

Wilco. Question #3 was on safety and DSC and that may warrant a thread of its own so I dont want to clutter this thread up with all the material that I waded through to learn about DSC. The link you posted from the USCG lecture on DSC to DH Farallones is good because it lets you hear the warbling tone of a DSC distress call. Some of the information may be out-of-date especially wrt relay. I'm no expert here, not even close, but for example the UK changed their relay procedures, I'm still not sure about the US. So I'm still figuring things out, but it sure would be great to have a USCG lecture again. I learned the most about DSC the fastest from these short videos and they may be useful to others too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBIkdQ2QAvM VHF DSC Distress Mayday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chvK9HDGtCY VHF DSC Training Part 2

I can include the other practical DSC references that I found useful in another thread but I think the "authority" on DSC operation is here: https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.541-10-201510-I!!PDF-E.pdf with an abbreviated USCG version here https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/dsc-distress

Anyway the point of your thread was NOR and SI and I do think it might be a good idea for everyone to have DSC radios and consider including that in the race documents.
 
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I do think it might be a good idea for everyone to have DSC radios and consider including that in the race documents.

The requirement for DSC/GPS equipped VHF radios has already been addressed in the YRA/OYRA equipment requirements for offshore racing. For Bay racing, there’s really no need to add a requirement for yet ANOTHER piece of equipment.

Aside from the emergency/distress call function, I wonder if anyone reading this has ever placed a DSC radio call? I suspect not.
 
Yes, 3.81 and 3.82 of http://yra.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SER-with-OYRA-changes-2021.pdf specifies DSC and 7.4 of Singlehanded Sailing Society 2023 General NoR DRAFT 0.9.8 of 2022-12-29.pdf thus requires DSC but 7.3.11 only requires a VHF radio (I do not know why YRA SER 3.9 wrt AIS was removed?). I think most new VHF radios have DSC so not sure why it would be another piece of equipment. Compared to the costs of other life-saving equipment and a boat, a $100 DSC radio seems like a good deal. For some reasons to have DSC, see for example https://wow.uscgaux.info/content.php?unit=170&category=dsc-vhf-radio-rescue-21 and West Marine https://www.westmarine.com/west-advisor/DIY-Safety-Equipment.html "DSC is like 911 for your boat—better in fact, because rescuers have the technology to determine exactly who and where you are, and sometimes the exact nature of your emergency."

Maybe whoever the powers that be were that architected DSC could perhaps have done a better job, but DSC is here now and it definitely alerted me in one race that there might be a problem. To me 99% of the value of DSC is in the distress call, the "red button". I have heard of many situations where the CG has advised someone on a Ch. 16 call to "go ahead and press your DSC", it gives them location. I have tried a DSC call and my B&G Zeus3 is supposed to be able to just call a target via a pop-up using DSC but for some reason this does not work with the V20, though it may with the V60. One thing I could see being useful down the road is forming a group call number for a racing fleet and RRC though.

I suppose like other proposed changes it happens slowly as people see the benefit and it will become more of a requirement, and it would be good to hear what the USCG thinks. Meanwhile I think from what I read that the USCG feels the biggest problem is making sure that people that choose to or are required to have DSC know how to use it including getting and using an MMSI. I guess that was my original comment: I was surprised that a whole fleet that I think must have had DSC radios according to the rules missed a DSC distress call.

Anyway, my main focus was to help Carliane was trying to explain what I learned as a newbie and would have been useful to see in the race documents.

Thanks!
 
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Thanks for the comments on the DSC. We have no plans of adding any equipment requirements, but this gives me some really useful ideas about possible future seminars or info that could go in presentations for the skippers' meetings.

My own thoughts on the topic: It was my understanding there had been a new regulation requiring all new VHF radios to be DSC-capable, but I bought a handheld about 6 months ago from Svendsen's that was not. It has been relegated to my small boat that stays in the estuary. All my radios on the big boat have DSC, especially if I have inexperienced sailing friends onboard. Our safety talk includes telling them to press/hold the red button, speak with CG, and then sail the boat safely until someone can help. I keep a VHF on my person and plan to do the same if I am in the water.
 
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Attention, SSS Racers!

The board has reviewed the manual winch vs powered winch policy introduced a few years ago. With benefit of that experience, and based on consideration of the PHRF rating penalties for "power winch" and "power assist" boats, the board has decided to simplify the classes and remove the power distinction.

The NOR has been revised to reflect this --- see attached. Changes are highlighted in yellow.

Please double check that your PHRF certificate accurately states any powered winches or power-assist features of your boat, to avoid being protested for violating the "class rules" of PHRF.

Thank you for racing with the SSS, and we look forward to seeing you on the water in 2023.

Richard and Carliane, SSS Race Co-Chairs
 

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I thought the members voted on this prior? Why was there no new vote? NOR was issued on the 2nd and now this change without any member input or time to respond.
 
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The board has received survey responses from members on the question of power winches, and has been receiving input from members via emails and personal interactions on this topic. It is in response to these inputs, and the board's desire to continue the assessment of the effects of power winches and the PHRF rating adjustments on shorthanded racing, that the SSS board voted this week to accept the PHRF rating adjustments and monitor the results for the 2023 season. We will of course review this decision based on the results when considering the NOR's for the 2024 season.
Chris Case, Commodore SSS
 
Well it seems the board has made the decision but I'll leave some comments regarding this announcement. I know things never come out less than terce on a forum vs. personal interactions and I know we have very dedicated board members so I'm not trying to bash anyone and my apologies if it comes out that way.

I've been racing with the SSS since the mid-90s and have been racing full seasons basically ever since, rarely missing a race though the ownership of 3x different boats. I care very deeply about the SSS and her participants. I relish the competition and continue to learn from her vast diverse membership of sailors and boats.

The board has received survey responses from members on the question of power winches
As I didn't see any survey I'm thinking it wasn't a complete survey of active members like the last round.

has been receiving input from members via emails and personal interactions on this topic.
Well as many of us thought this was put to rest with a member survey/vote, we didn't know we should still be active lobbying.

the board's desire to continue the assessment of the effects of power winches and the PHRF rating adjustments on shorthanded racing
The thing is the PHRF rating penalty is for CREWED boats vs. CREWED boats. Never have they considered the effects of using a powered winch on single or doublehanded race boats where the effect of such use is greatly amplified.

For me and many who have spoken to me about the subject it has little or nothing to do with the amount of rating penalty applied. It has to do with manually sailing your boat to the best of your abilities as racing sailboats is a sport. If you are using power winch(s) you are not fatiguing through the race as you would without one/them. Pushing buttons while others work the winches manually is not fair sailing and I believe very bad for the sport of sailing in the long term.

Another slippery slope this brings is the fiscal arms race. Some people will have a single cabin house winch that came with their boat and some will spare no expense and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

I still advocate for people being able to race with powered winches if they so choose but they should still be in their own division of like boats.
 
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