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Around the World from West coast?

There's a 1D35 at South Beach Yacht Club. The owner is (was?) a dentist. That's all I remember about him except that he was a crazy mo-fo who scared the snot out of his 8 all-newbie crew during a SBYC Friday Night race about 4 years ago. The number of new crew is now my #1 big red flag when deciding to race with some unknown skipper. I think if you called up SBYC they'd know who you were talking about with the above description...
 
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I am not familiar with this design, the J-39. SA/D = 23. Guessing, singlehanded, about same all around speed as SC-40 and O-40, a bit quicker than an E-37
https://sailinganarchy.com/advert/j39-for-sale-new-price/
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Good find :-) Should I be concerned about the "re-coring" of the deck and hull? Delamination does seem to happen fairly frequently for boats racing hard for miles on non stop.

I ordered 7 passage planning charts from https://frugalnavigator.com/. It is quite exciting to lay these down and think that maybe, just maybe, I will plot a line across them. Sometimes I visualize Earth and think that it would be quite awesome to be sailing around. I also did some research using Navionics' web app:https://webapp.navionics.com/. I was mostly focused on the Torres strait. Not a straight line through that strait ...

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jamottep said:
Alex is out with damaged cars for his mainsail.
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Being unable to get one's main up or down, and the torn jib (Solent) down to patch, is not a good recipe for continuing RTW. I'm surprised he did not have a jib halyard, a simple rigging exercise. The jib was lashed to the top of the headstay, WTF? " Common practice," Alex calls it. Two trips aloft only served to injure Alex's arm.
 
Seems like the (obvious?) lesson is: first you need to finish. Doesn’t do any good to choose the “perfect boat” if it doesn’t get you to the finish. Just sayin...

Tom
 
sleddog said:
Being unable to get one's main up or down, and the torn jib (Solent) down to patch, is not a good recipe for continuing RTW. I'm surprised he did not have a jib halyard, a simple rigging exercise. The jib was lashed to the top of the headstay, WTF? " Common practice," Alex calls it. Two trips aloft only served to injure Alex's arm.
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My understanding is that it is common practice in the Class 40/IMOCA world. Eliminates halyard chafe, halyard stretch, and of course reduces weight aloft. A bit risky in a RTW effort. In addition to batten or other sail problems, your furler better not crap out either. Sparrow's staysail has a boring halyard and hanks.
 
It would be nice to hear from Ragnar about the million decisions he has to make to prepare his boat, decide his course, prepare himself/team, etc ...

On a separate topic I'm going to put a website out there and was wondering which of these domain names had your preference (all are available as of my posting this):

roundtheglobe.com
sail4oceans.com
sailaroundearth.com
sailsf2sf.com
pjsails.com

Thoughts?
 
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I vote roundtheglobe.com. Says it all, and gives you flexibility - for example, if you end up doing something that isn't exactly sf2sf (e.g. HI-HI, a la Webb Chiles).
And you can re-use it when you break another record by re-tracing your route in a hot air balloon, or use your newfound fame to start a sat-com company, or a snow globe company. The possibilities are endless, as long as they involve a globe!
 
Lanikai said:
I vote roundtheglobe.com. Says it all, and gives you flexibility - for example, if you end up doing something that isn't exactly sf2sf (e.g. HI-HI, a la Webb Chiles).
And you can re-use it when you break another record by re-tracing your route in a hot air balloon, or use your newfound fame to start a sat-com company, or a snow globe company. The possibilities are endless, as long as they involve a globe!
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That's funny :-)

Would someone in San Diego be willing to check a couple boats for me?
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1994/x-yachts-imx38-3153385/?refSource=standard listing
https://www.yachtfindersbrokerage.com/boats-for-sale/1986-c-c-mk-iii-san-diego-california-7021602/
I just would like for a fellow singlehander to step on and tell me if she/he feels about the boat's state ....
 
not in SD so I'm no help with the immediate request, though I do have some peanut gallery musings...
I hate to harp on the same theme, but having been core crew for 9 years on a local IMX 38, including a BBS win, I'd be hesitant about that one.
1. they are extremely weight sensitive; by which I mean they are both tippy (somewhat) but also trim wise (eg we could gain or lose .3 knot depending on where the crews butts landed... "1/2 cheek forward please", etc).
I'd be a bit concerned with how the supplies, gear etc would affect performance. Having said that we regularly sailed with ~1600lbs of movable ballast... so long as you're up for stacking...
2.If your not planning to sail with the kite up, forget about downwind performance. The fractional jib is completely useless, even winged out in 25knots. How do I know this? watching everyone else walk away after we blew up the second kite half way back from the bucket.
3. lastly, the stock rudder is extremely high aspect... not sure how that would do with an AP.

all of that having been said, X yachts have a reputation as very well built boats.
If you do decide to pursue it, have the surveyor take as hard a look as possible at the keel frame - X yachts had (have?) a galvanized steel grid that the keel is attached to which is completely encased in fiberglass. I have never heard of this presenting a problem, but it might be worth some research...

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DH
 
All excellent points! Although I do like being .3 kts faster, I am looking at speed outside of any handicap. In other words if this boat's speed can vary between 7 and 7.6 upwind, it's still better than 6.5.
About downwind without a kite I wonder what was the speed with the small jib poled out in 25 kts? Was it 8, 7, 6?
Would you singlehand that boat, including flying the kite?
 
jamottep said:
Would you singlehand that boat, including flying the kite?
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short answer; no, not for any appreciable distance.
At least not without some pretty extensive reworking to the deck layout. But you may be planning on that.

there are some fundamental architectural issues:
The cockpit is very shallow to non-existant (its really just a concave depression), the giant wheel that is half in a well gets in the way of getting either to the winches or to a decent steering position.(also, items dropped can and have landed in the wheel well and jammed things up; very exciting).
you can dispense as the spreaders are very swept back, so that helps.

It's a very fun boat to sail with 7-9.
it would be more than a handful for 1.

DH
 
I'm going to quote someone that we all know, who is on this forum. I like this guy, he's a good dude. He's won a LOT of singlehanded races. He builds stuff. He knows more about Ocean Planet's guts than anybody but Bruce Schwab and I have never beaten him, not ONE time on the race course. Yet he's got no "attitude" and he said something to me once that I have never forgotten. Here's a quote, or close enough.

It's not how fast you can go, it's how long you can go fast.

Philippe, you'll do what you want, but if I were you, I would say "Screw the 0.3 knots, I want a boat that will GET ME AROUND". Because a really fast boat that goes fast for a week or two or three or ten, isn't going to get you what you want. A really fast boat that takes ten people to make go fast, isn't gonna do it.

There. I've said it. I'll go back to lurk mode, again.
 
AlanH said:
I would say "Screw the 0.3 knots, I want a boat that will GET ME AROUND". Because a really fast boat that goes fast for a week or two or three or ten, isn't going to get you what you want. A really fast boat that takes ten people to make go fast, isn't gonna do it.
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I agree. I want a boat that will make it through. Maybe my thinking is flawed. I don't think that fast boats get to their speed non linearly. I don't think there is a magic threshold where the boat will go from slow to fast. An Olson 30 with a double reef and #4 in 15 knots of wind will still be fairly fast upwind compared to a heavy displacement boat of same water length, which would have to carry full mainsail and a #1. To me the Olson 30 seems to be the easier boat to sail. I'm not trying to win a PHRF race where I would have to push the boat to its maximum speed. I mean, it's like, what's easier to make go fast: a heavy boardwalk cruiser with fat tires, or a lightweight road bike? That's how I'm thinking about this. If this thinking is flawed please jump in. I'm still a newbie and don't know much about boat design.
 
Offshore passage time is more correlated to LWL than displacement which is behind Alan’s wise input. The exception to this is heavy air downwind sailing when surfing and planing arise. You may also be underestimating the amount of weight for gear and provisions and it’s impact on the light boats you are looking at.

I struggle to provide more input as your goals and proposed route are unclear to me.
 
jamottep said:
I agree. I want a boat that will make it through. Maybe my thinking is flawed. I don't think that fast boats get to their speed non linearly. I don't think there is a magic threshold where the boat will go from slow to fast. An Olson 30 with a double reef and #4 in 15 knots of wind will still be fairly fast upwind compared to a heavy displacement boat of same water length, which would have to carry full mainsail and a #1. To me the Olson 30 seems to be the easier boat to sail. I'm not trying to win a PHRF race where I would have to push the boat to its maximum speed. I mean, it's like, what's easier to make go fast: a heavy boardwalk cruiser with fat tires, or a lightweight road bike? That's how I'm thinking about this. If this thinking is flawed please jump in. I'm still a newbie and don't know much about boat design.
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Maybe it would be wise to do a passage on a heavier displacement cruising-type boat with a fair bit of waterline. A Valiant 40 will not be as fast as a Class 40. But it will get you there and you don't have the budget for a class 40.

Philippe, if I may suggest, you're asking the wrong question. The first question should be.. 1: what boat can I afford that will actually go all the way around the world, nonstop?

The second question is NOT, emphatically NOT "how fast will it go?". The question should be..."How hard is it to make go some-kind-of-fast for a very long time?"... Pick a boat which is easy to sail to it's potential for weeks on end, not the boat with the highest top-end speed.

NOW I'll shut up.
 
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jamottep said:
Complete something like this, solo, non stop, going West:
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I see, and what is your goal? Set a benchmark for the route? Just finish? Get experience? Personal journey of discovery? The why is not an easy question, and for me a complex one.

Comments on the route: It looks like a lot of lighter air, and while I've not been there it looks like you may have a lot of sleepless days & nights as you approach and go over Australia due to traffic. As you head around Cape Horn after all those miles and wear, you may find yourself wanting some displacement.

Hal Roth sailed a strengthened Santa Cruz 50 around the world in the '86 BOC, I think it was. He sold the boat and bought a Pretorian 35. When asked why he sold the Santa Cruz 50 he said: "It didn't give enough back."
 
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