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Around the World from West coast?

And now that I managed to get liability insurance for the boat, it's the management team for the Redwood Landing marina who is telling me that they won't give me a slip because the owner is not a US resident. This despite having been with these folks for the past 7 years.

The "fun" just never stops ...
 
And now that I managed to get liability insurance for the boat, it's the management team for the Redwood Landing marina who is telling me that they won't give me a slip because the owner is not a US resident. This despite having been with these folks for the past 7 years.

The "fun" just never stops ...

hahaha. That is just silly. I'll talk to them.
 
Have you talked to a customs broker? They should be able to tell you everything you need to know about the import process, forms, procedures... Also I'm pretty sure in your situation (commercial shipment) you will need to do this. According to some info i received, it may be possible to avoid by taking possession and doing the paperwork yourself, but you would only save yourself the broker fee (almost nothing) and the bond fee .4%

I used David Lee at DCL (contact below) in oakland, he was helpful, knowledgeable and a great guy. Also his fee was absurdly low. I had to ask him like 10 times, is that really all? You will likely end up paying at least 2 probably 3 fees. Broker fee, was negligable in my case. Bond fee, this was $4/$1000 in purchase price, or .4% You may also have to pay import duty if the boat has never been imported to the US. Mine was built in the US so i did not end up paying this. My understanding is the fee is 1.5% of the purchase price. When you register the boat in CA they will take another 10 percent or so.

I just did this recently, so feel free to reach out with any questions.

-tim

Broker info
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David C. Lee,

DCL CUSTOMHOUSE BROKERS
916 23RD AVE
OAKLAND, CA 94606
TEL# 510-533-0127
FAX# 510-533-0140
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On this point you need to do further research. CA does not require DMV licensing just because you are a CA resident. The state licensing requirements in the US vary by state. Unlike some state, CA does not require DMV licensing for documented vessels. I understand you can’t do USCG Documentation, but could you document the boat in Belgium, or another EU country? Then all you would need is a Cruising License.

Tom insisted and he appears to be correct. This specifically states that foreign vessels do not need to be registered with the state: http://dbw.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=28731

Winner? It sounds then that I will need to transfer the boat to me then flag her in Belgium.
 
Philippe, is this still your course? How about Mac & Cheese? Scones don't have egg or milk products: they last a long time. Yes, Yes. Of course. I'll use dried fruit.

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Joshua Slocum went West, and I remember reading in his book that this was the hard way. Capt. Bligh of the Bounty tried to sail from England to Tahiti going West, spent a month trying to beat past Cape Horn, gave up, and then turned East to pass south of Africa. The Volvo and Vendee Globe both go east. I'm sure you have thought about all this.
 
Oh yeah it'll be hard all right. In fact it's good that I'm an ignoramus. Otherwise I would not have started this. The web is full of horror stories of eastbound circumnavigations. But since very few go West the little I read was not as intimidating. Foolish ...
 
The course will have a lot of upwind....so you want a boat that can take it in the face for days on end.

but you know this.
 
The amount of time I'm wasting with Navionics charts it's inhumane ... After a full week I've only been able to get the charts for the course on an iPad. On an Android everything goes to hell ... This is driving me nuts!
 
Monsieur, what delicious freeze-dried food is tempting your tastebuds today?

We tried pad Thai with chicken yesterday, which I also had on the way to Hawaii. It's good ... And it was a reminder of how it's going to be sloshy for a long time. I'm trying to think if there any hard biscuits that hold for long, don't taste too bad and will give my teeth a work out :-)
 
I’ll make some hard tack, add dried cranberries, bring it to the 3 Bridge awards meeting Wed night.
 
The course will have a lot of upwind....so you want a boat that can take it in the face for days on end.

Though I have not spoken with PJ regarding his proposed route nor timing, I have studied pilot charts, taken world ocean weather classes, and sailed much of his route from California to Australia.

It's surprising to many how much potential off-the-wind sailing PJ could encounter. Certainly most of the way from SF to Torres Straits is in the tradewind belt, good for CHANGABANG. The Torres Straits is the first of 3 "weather gates" with the likelihood of light, variable winds, as well as seasonal cyclones after mid-November.

Thence across the Indian Ocean as far as the Mascarene Islands, Mauritius and the southern tip of Madagascar is again in the tradewind belts...and then to the second gate, Cape Agulhas, as the southern tip of Africa. Getting around Agulhas will be a significant challenge for PJ, much upwind for the last 500 miles along the South African coast with potential post-frontal wind against Agulhas current. Fortunately there is relief from grief with nicely spaced, sheltered anchorages and buoys. Webb Chiles on his Moore-24 recently made this passage, albeit with stops, as well as once getting blown backwards 60 miles overnight.

Once past Cape Agulhas/Cape of Good Hope, it is again tradewind sailing to reach South America and PJ's turning buoy off Argentina. This leg circles the South Atlantic high pressure counter clockwise, fair weather sailing with lighter winds near the center of the High.

The passage down (up?) to Cape Horn will be into increasing southwest headwinds in the lee of the South American continent. This could be PJ's most difficult leg. But there are also anchorages of refuge and mooring buoys in both the Falkland Islands and along the mainland, as well as just inside the Straits of Magellan, if needed. (Note to PJ: don't trust those Danforth imitation French anchors...)

Rounding Cape Horn east to west depends on catching a weather window when the prevailing westerlies in the Drake Passage are taking a nap. Though I would not suggest it without being able to power, PJ's route does not necessarily require leaving Cape Horn to starboard. He could go through the channels and fjords further north, or beat upwind through the Straits of Magellan, leaving Cape Horn to port. But then he doesn't get his earring, hihi.

Once past the tip of South American, north of latitude 50 south, the westerlies increasingly fair and diminish in intensity. As well, the Humboldt Current provides a good push into the SE tradewind belt. No need to go close-hauled all the way to the ITCZ at 8-10 degrees N. Just follow the well trod "Clipper Route."

Once in the NE trades, PJ is almost home free. Close reaching would have CHANGABANG leaving the Hawaiian Islands well to port (west). Approaching the Eastern Pacific High Pressure Ridge near 30N, he'd stick his bow into the High, tack to port, and close reach towards the barn.

How much close-hauled is this guesstimation? Probably 25% of PJ's route is with the wind forward of abeam. About 6,000 miles....that's alot. But doable..In 1997 I sailed WILDFLOWER 6,000 miles mostly upwind from New Zealand to Santa Cruz, including 30 days on starboard tack..Had everything including the anchor, 50 feet of chain, folding bike, water jugs, and deflated dinghy hanging over the starboard side of my 27 footer. It took me several hours to tack nearing Kauai.
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