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Drakes Bay

Damn sorry I missed the party!... I did not mean to be anti-social but I had the flu the week before the race and decided I better keep it to myself. Dropped anchor and sleep the clock around.

Tough angle for Lightspeed going up with either the 140 flapping or the spinnaker back winding on the last half. Looked like a great angle for the J boats. Felt better coming back and a great angle for symmetrical after Duxbury.

Curious if any symmetrical boats used asymmetrical off their poles? (legal to carry both now without penalty if declared).
 
brianb said:
New Topic: Does anyone know how to clean crushed flies, cherry, and berry stains from the none skid on an older boat deck ? I was able to get all pizza sauce and banana bread crumbs out of the traveler track with a tooth brush.
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Finally, a question I can answer with authority. After 16 years of living on the delta, Jacqueline has been besmirched by blueberry eating, lifeline partying birds more times than I can count. The blueberry juice comes out the same way it went in. BLUE. It stains hell out of anything it touches.

But the good news is, do nothing. If the stains are on deck, the sun will bleach it out in a week or two. It's magic and its free. You guys do get sun up on the bay from time to time don't you?

I wish I had made the race, I tried, but ran out of steam getting up there. Plus I forgot to buy coffee and the prospect of no hot coffee in the morning was just too much to bear.
 
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Plus I forgot to buy coffee and the prospect of no hot coffee in the morning was just too much to bear.
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Mike, Dura Mater always has strong coffee aboard and you are welcome to it any time, especially if you make the arduous trek up to the sometimes overcast east bay.
 
Chris of FUGU here. This story is to serve as a warning to others. Nasty wrap due to sailing too deep, my greed trying to stay in the flood and out of the ebb driven by this devilishly well sailed sister-ship that had been chasing me all day!! Once wrapped it kept getting tighter despite releasing the halyard and tugging frantically down at the head stay. I decided to finish then deal with it later, but after two knockdowns, I decided Plan A was terrible. In the first knockdown, as the water slowly rose up the side deck, I thought "I remember now, we used to put in the hatch-boards on the E27 in these conditions" I forgotten that lesson after 11 year of sailing my 9,000 lb Dehler 34. Relearned it on Sunday!! Now it dawned on me that if I continued to the finish and approached Pt Stuart, that if another gust caught me, I would have little time before my boat was on the island. So I decided to jibe as I'd learned a while ago that jibing will help unwrap wraps, also in that direction was more sea room, I expected to be wrestling with the thing until Point Blunt as least, so I quickly radioed the race deck that I was withdrawing, thinking that once on the other side of Angel Island communication would be more difficult, they acknowledged.
I jibed to starboard, set the autopilot, and headed to the bow. The reverse eddy on this jibe loosened the wrap, and quickly I was able to pull it down and off the forestay, stuffed the monster down the hatch. Picked my head up and realized if i jibed back I could still lay Pt. Stuart on port without tacking. Elated at avoiding destruction, I radio'ed the race deck asking if I could withdraw my withdraw, they agreed to take my finish time, but deferred to the RC as to what they might do with it.

Now if this situation causes a difficult precedent for our peers who have volunteered to run these races, I will happily accept my results being changed to DNF. The work of the RC's is difficult enough without having to deal with a storm of controversy caused by a cheeky devil who had the nerve to ask for a withdraw to be withdrawn.
 
You cheeky devil. Glad you got it worked out and kept the water 'under' the boat! I hope they score you.
 
I just noticed the results for both Sat & Sun were removed from sss jibeset but YRA results are still up. I did read the post by Chris above and hope he is OK but that was only Sunday. Any scuttlebutt?
 
We just got an e-mail from Allen, explaining why they temporarily took down the results.
 
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I did notice several boats on the YRA site had start penalties Sat & Sunday, one maybe enough to move down a notch.....Another oddity that may just be a typo, but YRA scored one boat in a division he was not listed to start. If he stays in that division which is not SHS may change the SSS scoring..
 
OK, now that the SSS results are posed I am really confused. One boat appears to have races and scored in two different divisions at the same time. He scores 5:55:06 in YRA with a 5 min start penalty but scores 5:35:23 in SSS in a different div with no start penalty Sat. Then he scores 6:34:53 in YRA on Sun with a 5 min start penalty but 7:24:55 in SSS in a different div no penalty. I wish him well but can you race in two different YRA/SSS race divisions at the same time with different flags and start times? I am way down the food chain on this but cannot make any sense of it…
 
YRA has his Saturday finish time right, at 16:20:57 (plus the five minute adjustment). SSS has it one hour early at 15:20:57. This needs to be corrected. I can't tell what happened on Sunday because the SSS fleet results (which show finish times) aren't posted, only the overall SH and DH. The corrected times between the two organizations are different because they use different TCF's - OYRA uses 650/550+PHRF, SSS uses 700/520+PHRF.

After once again getting passed by this boat like I was tied to a stump and almost passed by its sistership, even while I was flying a code zero, I'll offer a comparison:

WylieCat 30/J92:
LOA 30.5/30.0
LWL 25.0/25.8
Beam 9.5/10
Displ 5500/5500
Ballast 3050/2275
Upwind SA 530/552 (w/genoa)
PHRF 129-132/105

My boat's only advantage, downwind SA, is usually offset by the angles (extra distance) I have to sail, while a WC30 points straight at the leeward mark.

J/92 RAGTIME! with code zero, taken from the WylieCat 30 NANCY (thanks to Pat for the photo)
 
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Thanks Bob that answers the PHRF math question and is quite a striking comparison between the two boats….. The part I am still scratching my head over is the same WC30 wins the YRA PHRO 3 div with a Hotel start at 10:15 and at the same time he wins the SSS Golf start at 10:10. So when did he start and can you race in two different div in the same race?
 
Dan started at 10:10 - that's why OYRA had to add 5 min. to his finish time. His correct division in their race started at 10:15.

After reading Allen's e-mail to us via Jibeset, I'm guessing his head is buzzing with this stuff. Best to contact him at this point since I'm just a puzzled observer like you.

It's not a criticism of our R/C and I hope it doesn't sound like one - but I really don't understand how scoring these races for SSS is any different from any other race. Ignore what OYRA is doing - except for the two sport boats that registered in the wrong SSS divisions and didn't get corrected, all of SSS's entry data was correct from the beginning. Just enter the finish times for the SSS entries as provided by OYRA and score the races. It's irrelevant that OYRA has some of the same boats entered in their race.

I'm the guy who originally proposed to Andy Newell that we combine our efforts for these Drake's Bay races. I had no idea the scoring would present such a challenge - again I do not understand why it does.
 
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I agree the R/C is the best and it is a very fun race. I am glad it was added to the SSS season. I did not mean to open a can of worms, and now I can see the differences and challenges the R/C had combining two different race formats into one race....
 
I think combining the SSS/OYRA Races is a fairly good idea. It brings out boats and it allows the SSS to have a Drakes Bay Race complete with committee boat and all. But it does present a few issues that need some working on, I feel. The major problem is how the SSS and OYRA determine their divisions. SSS has sportboats; OYRA doesn't, for instance. In addition, SSS has both Single and Double handed divisions; OYRA doesn't. OYRA uses DWL to divide its divisions;SSS uses PHRF + a sportboat formula.

Here's an example. Phil in his Express 27 "WETSU" is apparantly sailing for the SSS Singlehanded Championship. I'm not; I just sail single or double depending on which race and which crew I'm on speaking terms with the week before a race. Since an Express 27 is an sportboat according to the SSS, In the recent Drakes Bay Race Phil started 5 minutes before my PHRF Division and was sailing singlehanded vs my doublehanded entry. And, he sailed well. After we saw him leave the Start Line we lost track of him until he called in his impending finish at Drakes Bay. After the 5-minute adjustment for different starting times, he beat me by 55 seconds. I'll never know if I could have earned back those 55 seconds if we'd been sailing alongside each other. Did he stay in? Did he stay out? Could I have covered him on the way from the CYC to Pt. Bonita? Maybe I could have? Maybe not? But 55 seconds after 31 nm is pretty close. I applaud him for his effort, since he was alone and sailed well. It isn't Phil I'm after, it's a better chance to race boat-for-boat with a boat that rates exactly the same as mine.

On the way back, the Express 27s started ahead again. About halfway down we saw one inside about equal with us. We couldn't see which one (I think there were 3), but we were committed to staying out. It wasn't until we closed with the E27 near Pt. Bonita that we saw it wasn't "WETSU" after all. But where was he? We didn't know the E27 we were now saiing next to, so didn't know if it was being sailed well - but it was after all right next to us so it had done pretty good. It wasn't until the next day we learned Phil had DNFed. There was a certain amount of angst for the last hour, let me tell you.

What does this matter? Nothing as far as I'm concerned with my sailing in the SSS. I'm not chasing a season championship, but I do like to win in my SSS division, which "WETSU" is not a part of. In the OYRA, however, I'm in 1st Place in the SHS Division and "WETSU's" in 2nd Place, separated by a few points. It is important for me to beat Phil in the final 2 OYRA races.

With the combined HMB race coming up, I face the same dilemma on what is traditionally a mostly downwind race, a Wyliecat's weak point of sail (yes, Bob) and an E27s strong one. "WETSU" will start 5 minutes ahead and I"ll have the same problem of not being able to cover Phil while we're on-the-wind headed out the Gate, which is a Wyliecat's strong point of sail vs a sportboat. That point after 31 miles at Drakes Bay may well come back to haunt me.
 
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