New Boat 4 Sled

[sleddog]

Thanks, all, for highlighting the Famous Red Boat, aka STARBUCK....Better grab her fast, cause I know someone who might...

Here's a question for those interested in boat design. The below keel is built for what boat? What is the intention of the boat and it's singlehanded skipper? First correct answer wins a copy of either Christian's "Alone Together, Sailing Solo to Hawaii and Beyond," or George Sigler's "Experiment in Survival" Your choice. The latter details how to sail a rubber raft to Hawaii with no water and 6 pounds of food and emerge with enough brain cells intact to found the Singlehanded Sailing Society.

 

[Tchoupitoulas]

Post away BobJ. The discussion is good. I always liked that mock up. Build a ring frame and there you go. Then I'd cut off some house and make her mostly cockpit, Q style. But would it get up on step?
Good luck tomorrow.

Jackie that sounds like an interesting project. I need to go check that out.

Do you Sled? Go on

 

[sleddog]

Free standing masts are nothing new. They are called "catboats" (no relation to catamarans.) With one sail, a large main, catboats are easy to rig, fast under sail, and simple to maintain. The unparalleled racing success of the Wyliecat 30 on San Francisco Bay is just one example of a successful catboat.

In 1979, 17 years before the Wyliecat 30 made the scene, Howard Spruit of Santa Cruz designed and built the first of his Frogcat 21's. The Frog 21 Specs;
Loa 21’
LWL 20’
Bmax 8’
Draft 3’
Displacement lite boat 1500#
Ballast 750#
Sail Area 200 sq ft
code zero 164sq ft

Unfortunately, Santa Cruz boatbuilders were not very good salespeople, and only 3 Frogcats were built. Here is the original promo:



With a PHRF rating of 240, Frogcat 21's could have been killer on the race course.

Could have been.

 

[Philpott]

Here's a question for those interested in boat design. The below keel is built for what boat? What is the intention of the boat and it's singlehanded skipper? First correct answer wins a copy of either Christian's "Alone Together, Sailing Solo to Hawaii and Beyond," or George Sigler's "Experiment in Survival" Your choice.

I've already read both those books. What else have you got? In fact, I gave you the survival book. Have you memorized the details? You might need them if you and Annie r snowed in aboard Ruby. I realize that it is acceptable behavior to ask for something else. At last year's Sail Down to Redwood Shores Tom Patterson asked if he could return the battery operated alarm clock that crowed like a rooster. Ingrate.

 

[Jonathan Gutoff]

I heard that the "fleet" of Frog 21's ended up in Jackson Lake, Wyoming. They are cool little boats.

 

[H Spruit]

Jonathan~
You are correct, all 3 boats are @ Jackson hole.
I was building my current catamaran and planed to sell my monomaran but had not told any body yet, when I got a phone call from Jackson hole.
The caller told me he wanted to know about my Cat boat. I asked what he wanted to know and he said "How much do you want for it and when can we pick it up."
So I had to figure how much I wanted, and he went for it!
I was totally amazed.

 

[sleddog]

I've already read both those books. What else have you got? .

I'm sorry, did I miss your answers to the above questions regarding the mystery keel and it's purpose? Answer those correctly, and the sky is the limit on a more significant award, sailing literature or otherwise.

Here's one I have for loan: An Ocean Cruise and Deep Water Regatta of the Pacific Yacht Club, July 1884..
It's the story of an ocean race from Sausalito to Santa Cruz, published 1884, with color illustrations.

 

[BobJ]

Sled, your record of 18.8 knots steering Ragtime! was in jeopardy today. We hit 18.5 surfing back in the Gate this afternoon - with a reefed main and #3!

Honkin' it was.

 

[sleddog]

Sled, your record of 18.8 knots steering Ragtime! was in jeopardy today. We hit 18.5 surfing back in the Gate this afternoon - with a reefed main and #3! Honkin' it was.

Yowza! Hopefully the tiller stayed together this time. It's been breezy down here in Santa Cruz the last two days, with 25-35 knots offshore. A couple of 41 mph (36 knot) gusts recorded at Long Marine Lab, two miles west.

http://www.iwindsurf.com/windandwhere.iws?regionID=128&siteID=951&days=2&Isection=Wind+Yesterday

Did you carry the #3 all the way to Duxbury?

 

[Philpott]

Answer those correctly, and the sky is the limit on a more significant award, sailing literature or otherwise.

I do like a book with pictures. Since you've been spending time with the Mooresies, I suspect one of them is planning to do one of the Transpacs, and that is an emergency rudder? The circular bit might fit over a rod already attached to the transom?

BTW, Chris Case has built an emergency rudder for his Wilderness 30, Fugu, out of amazingly lightweight but strong material (carbon fiber?). Maybe he will post a photo of it.

 

[sleddog]

Here's a question for those interested in singlehanded boat design. The below keel is built for what boat? What is the intention of the boat and it's singlehanded skipper? First correct answer wins ???
View attachment 2377

Here's a further hint: This keel, as odd as it may look, is affixed to a boat that has attempted, and presumably will attempt again, a singlehanded ocean crossing record that has stood for 22 years.

 

[BobJ]

Yowza! Hopefully the tiller stayed together this time. Did you carry the #3 all the way to Duxbury?

The tiller stays together just fine when I don't fall on it! This season I'm back to the original (24 year old) tiller that Rich Baker refinished about ten years ago.

After a spinnaker start in a fluky Easterly, the predicted NW pushed in and we reefed the main before the first channel marker. That and the #3 were enough for the rest of the race. Neither one of us felt like pushing it and the boat we needed to beat dropped out out anyway.

Once again the bigger boats benefited from more weight, speed and an earlier start. By the time the rest of us got to Duxbury it was blowing about 28 knots and the seas were pretty unpleasant.

In your photo, I assume that's a tank at the bottom. Diesel?

 

[hodgmo]

Based on the hint, I initially guessed this part was some part of a latter-day Lakota. But it's not. Undaunted, i looked a little more, and found that Undaunted is actually the answer: Undaunted is the strangest small boat design I've ever seen

"The Little Boat Project, created by Matthew Kent, is a design challenge to break the world record for the smallest boat sailed across the Atlantic."

"Undaunted is designed to do one thing, and has to do it well: to be sturdy, safe, and sail downwind from one known point on earth to another at a specific time of year. Once."

"OBJECTIVE: CROSS NEARLY 4700 MILES OF OPEN OCEAN FROM THE CANARY ISLANDS TO FLORIDA"

https://littleboatproject.org/

 

[BobJ]

We had a better day than some:

https://www.sailingillustrated.com/single-post/2017/05/14/Another-day-on-SF-Bay

"Tacking in three, two, one . . . oops!" Or maybe they were taking the direct route to the bar after a long day?

Regarding the Little Boat Project, if I was Matt I'd write a big check to BioReserve and call it a day. I mean, REALLY?
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[hodgmo]

Matt started his crossing on 6 Apr but turned back. Appears the quest is postponed, at least, for a while.

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...bb9f745624cf679c26/1492562681514/?format=500w

 

[sleddog]

Based on the hint, I initially guessed this part was some part of a latter-day Lakota. But it's not. Undaunted, i looked a little more, and found that Undaunted is actually the answer: Undaunted is the strangest small boat design I've ever seen

"The Little Boat Project, created by Matthew Kent, is a design challenge to break the world record for the smallest boat sailed across the Atlantic."

"Undaunted is designed to do one thing, and has to do it well: to be sturdy, safe, and sail downwind from one known point on earth to another at a specific time of year. Once."

"OBJECTIVE: CROSS NEARLY 4700 MILES OF OPEN OCEAN FROM THE CANARY ISLANDS TO FLORIDA"

https://littleboatproject.org/

Winner, winner. Chicken Dinner. Steve is correct. The strange keel belongs to UNDAUNTED, which failed recently in its first attempt to cross the Atlantic east to west. The failure came early on when one of the twin rudders began to dislodge from the stern, and a spectator boat collided with UNDAUNTED.

Neither Hodgmo nor BobJ mentioned a salient fact about UNDAUNTED's design: It is 3 feet, six inches long.

Here is the keel attached to UNDAUNTED's 3/16" aluminum hull. I can't help but wonder...Send money??

 

[AlanH]

About frog 21's.. a couple of years ago there was an intriguing boat sitting on a trailer in a lot in Redwood City. It hadn't moved in years. I finally asked the harbormaster about it, and he said it was a "Frog 22" and was basically a "miniature moore 24" and was built in Santa Cruz. It looked like it had a sloop rig, not a cat.

Any insights into this?

 

[sleddog]

With at least one of our contributors doing multiple legs of the upcoming Clipper Round the World Race, it is interesting to note the release of the MAIB report on two fatalities in the previous race.

http://www.ybw.com/news-from-yachtin...ace-2015-12597

The Clipper 70's are big, powerful boats.... crossing a lot of unforgiving ocean. 6,000 miles of North Pacific in winter? (February and March.) Gives pause for speculation.

One of the fatalities in 2015 was due to head injuries sustained from two successive accidental jibes while reefing downwind. Whether the crew member (watch captain) was taken out by the boom, mainsheet, or both, is irrelevant. It unfortunately happened.

Sir Robin Knox-Johnson and the Clipper management team has come up with one questionable means of keeping the all amateur crews safe against this possibility. Henceforth, all crew going forward or aft when running downwind must pass under the traveler. This passage way clearance is measured in inches, not feet. I have sympathy for larger crew members outfitted in bulky PFD's, warm clothes, and foulies, making like a snake.

Check it out.

 

[BobJ]

There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know where to start. How about not trying to reef while sailing DDW?

Regarding going under the traveler, maybe they mean going down that hatch and coming back up forward (not that you'd want to open it in rough seas). Otherwise, I wonder what protects one from the other 40 feet of boom (the part forward of the traveler).
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[sleddog]

No. This is not, as some have suggested, the infamous Herbie's Halfway Barge for the SHTP. That barge has 3 hour tie-up facilities, a stern deck BBQ, and jet ski launch ramp.



This derelict lifeboat was sighted yesterday from the Matson container ship SS MAUI, enroute Hono to Seattle and reported to the USCG. It had been reported once earlier, two years ago.

A magnifying glass and some sleuthing reveals the orange lifeboat is from the car carrier ASIAN EMPIRE. ASIAN EMPIRE caught fire 3 years ago 400 miles south of Japan, enroute from Korea to Panama. 24 crew members abandoned ship and were rescued. Unfortunately, during the rescue operation, the lifeboat was not scuttled and has been drifting in the Pacific Gyre for 3 years, a ghost hazard to navigation.



The irony is the fire aboard ASIAN EMPIRE extinguished itself, the ship was towed to port and repaired, and is back in service, delivering cars from Asia to Europe.