BobJ
Alerion 38 "Surprise!"
According to FUGU's draft, something less than 5.5 feet by the Brazos drawbridge, and a couple spots downriver.
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According to FUGU's draft, something less than 5.5 feet by the Brazos drawbridge, and a couple spots downriver.
The river isn't all that wide up there.
Hmm....that's pretty tight for the Piper, if I have to tack at all.
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A couple of years ago while investigating possible Santa Rosa Sailing Club "Adventure Sails" I exchanged emails with the then-Napa YC Commodore. He said a normal day's sailing for him in his 32-foot sloop was to motor down the Napa River and then sail back up. I think the prevailing wind would provide a reach/run. But someone might want to contact the NYC and ask. They sail up that way all the time and have the local knowledge. -- Pat
I'm keeping an eye on craigslist for something small...in the 11-13 foot range, that is rowable, and is *very* inexpensive. It's obvious that while I can probably get the Piper ready for this, and I might be able to sail the Piper to Quqnci Central, sailing back down the river isn't going to happen.
It IS tempting to make one of these: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthr...-two-sheet-rowboat-design-quot-Big-Guide-quot
or these: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?118043-Romax-a-two-sheet-rowboat
as they are much similar to the skerry, and can be made "relatively" quickly from two sheets of 1/4 inch lywood for the hull and another sheet for bulkheads, airtight flotation chamges and so on....but time...time....
I always thought the skerry was a dream to row, but kind of sucked as a sailboat.
It IS tempting to make one of these: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthr...-two-sheet-rowboat-design-quot-Big-Guide-quot
or these: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?118043-Romax-a-two-sheet-rowboat
as they are much similar to the skerry, and can be made "relatively" quickly from two sheets of 1/4 inch lywood for the hull and another sheet for bulkheads, airtight flotation chamges and so on....but time...time....
I always thought the skerry was a dream to row, but kind of sucked as a sailboat.
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Wind blows upriver most days... and current carries all the way to Napa (we will be going with a flood). RYC did a cruise to Napa several months ago... a few 40 foot sloops drawing near 7 feet made it there no problem (though the bridge with 62 feet of clearance made one boat with a tall rig a wee bit nervous). Yes the navigatable channel is pretty narrow - but for small boats plenty wide.
It was suggested a good place to promote the RAID is at Totally Dinghy...
...the weekend after next at RYC. So started the beginning of a "flyer"... so here goes... and I have a bit of an "itch" that maybe this isn't needed at all... maybe word of mouth with a few friends/boats is all we really need. But the "more people the more fun" part of me reflexively wants to widen participation...
RAID
Pt. Richmond to Napa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(boating)
A dinghy adventure
Not a race, but a passage with friends
RYC to Vallejo on Saturday October 19th
Vallejo to Napa on Sunday October 20th
Sunday late afternoon BBQ in Napa
What?
• Use the boat you have on a passage from Pt. Richmond to Napa
• But don’t use a boat that might need to be rescued – as there is no event organizer to rescue you.
• Laser, Radial and Bytes? Sure. FJ? You bet. Mercury? Yup. 420 or 470? Yessir.
• Optimist or El Toro. Don’t think so – though maybe you have a self-bailer and are an “expert”.
• 29er or 49er? Do you have the skills to not have to be “bailed out”?
• Row boat or kayak? Yes!
• What boat you choose is your responsibility after careful consideration of your sailing skills – as even the safest most stable boats can be dangerous in stiff winds and choppy seas.
• Self-sufficiency is a must.
• Seamanship is a must.
• You are responsible for being and staying safe – no crash boats, no supervision.
• You are solely responsible for evaluating the weather forecast and your boat handling skills - and deciding if you can make the voyage safely.
Timing
• Unorganized meet at RYC at 630am Saturday October 19th to launch boats and take trailers and most cars to Napa.
• Carpool back to RYC.
• Leave RYC around 9am (maybe 930am).
• Feel free to start from “elsewhere” – anywhere convenient for you.
• Lodging in Vallejo? Find a single-hander doing the Vallejo 1-2 with an empty bunk and who can also carry your sleeping bag and spare clothes. Or get creative (leave a car in Vallejo?)…
What else?
• If the weather forecast is “light” which can happen in late October, you might want to bring a paddle (this is not a race so paddling is perfectly okay).
• Borrow a handheld VHF race “just in case” (and might be needed for bigger dinghies that need the bridge in Vallejo to open).
• Wear a wetsuit and lifejacket? I sure am. This is several hours on the water in a dinghy (a Laser in my case) – where if “s___ happens” one could find oneself in the water for longer than one wants to be.
• And if the weather looks bad, skip the RAID, spend the weekend working on your boat – and you are still welcome in Napa for an afternoon BBQ.
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• There is no “organization” or “person” responsible for this RAID.
• Its friends going on an adventure.
• Each of us responsible for ourselves (though yes travelling in company so there are friends around should one get in a pinch).
• That said, it would good to know if you are coming – to insure we have enough food at the BBQ, to tell you where the BBQ is, and talk to Richmond YC, Vallejo YC and Napa YC on the number of dinghies likely to be “dropping in”. Let me know if you are a “go” or a “maybe” – and what sort of boat you will likely be in. [email protected]
...the weekend after next at RYC. So started the beginning of a "flyer"... so here goes... and I have a bit of an "itch" that maybe this isn't needed at all... maybe word of mouth with a few friends/boats is all we really need. But the "more people the more fun" part of me reflexively wants to widen participation...
RAID
Pt. Richmond to Napa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(boating)
A dinghy adventure
Not a race, but a passage with friends
RYC to Vallejo on Saturday October 19th
Vallejo to Napa on Sunday October 20th
Sunday late afternoon BBQ in Napa
What?
• Use the boat you have on a passage from Pt. Richmond to Napa
• But don’t use a boat that might need to be rescued – as there is no event organizer to rescue you.
• Laser, Radial and Bytes? Sure. FJ? You bet. Mercury? Yup. 420 or 470? Yessir.
• Optimist or El Toro. Don’t think so – though maybe you have a self-bailer and are an “expert”.
• 29er or 49er? Do you have the skills to not have to be “bailed out”?
• Row boat or kayak? Yes!
• What boat you choose is your responsibility after careful consideration of your sailing skills – as even the safest most stable boats can be dangerous in stiff winds and choppy seas.
• Self-sufficiency is a must.
• Seamanship is a must.
• You are responsible for being and staying safe – no crash boats, no supervision.
• You are solely responsible for evaluating the weather forecast and your boat handling skills - and deciding if you can make the voyage safely.
Timing
• Unorganized meet at RYC at 630am Saturday October 19th to launch boats and take trailers and most cars to Napa.
• Carpool back to RYC.
• Leave RYC around 9am (maybe 930am).
• Feel free to start from “elsewhere” – anywhere convenient for you.
• Lodging in Vallejo? Find a single-hander doing the Vallejo 1-2 with an empty bunk and who can also carry your sleeping bag and spare clothes. Or get creative (leave a car in Vallejo?)…
What else?
• If the weather forecast is “light” which can happen in late October, you might want to bring a paddle (this is not a race so paddling is perfectly okay).
• Borrow a handheld VHF race “just in case” (and might be needed for bigger dinghies that need the bridge in Vallejo to open).
• Wear a wetsuit and lifejacket? I sure am. This is several hours on the water in a dinghy (a Laser in my case) – where if “s___ happens” one could find oneself in the water for longer than one wants to be.
• And if the weather looks bad, skip the RAID, spend the weekend working on your boat – and you are still welcome in Napa for an afternoon BBQ.
Last
• There is no “organization” or “person” responsible for this RAID.
• Its friends going on an adventure.
• Each of us responsible for ourselves (though yes travelling in company so there are friends around should one get in a pinch).
• That said, it would good to know if you are coming – to insure we have enough food at the BBQ, to tell you where the BBQ is, and talk to Richmond YC, Vallejo YC and Napa YC on the number of dinghies likely to be “dropping in”. Let me know if you are a “go” or a “maybe” – and what sort of boat you will likely be in. [email protected]
I want to do this...but the Piper probably will not be ready....and I have to give up the Vallejo 1-2 to do it. I've hardly been on the water with the SSS this season, this is my last chance this year to sail with the gang.
However, I'm still watching craigslist for something appropriate.
However, I'm still watching craigslist for something appropriate.
BobJ
Alerion 38 "Surprise!"
I'll be focused on the Vallejo 1 and then getting S! back to RYC and cleaned up. But I think these events could catch on, so I'm interested.
I have a question. As pretty as that Penobscot 14 was, would it be better to have a boat that is self-rescuing? The P14 didn't have any decking, even over the bow. You could put inflatable cylinders in it (like the Optis do) but it would still be full of water when you righted it. Taking off across San Pablo Bay knowing that you absolutely can't capsize seems unrealistic.
All that said, I discovered I still have the owner's phone number.
I have a question. As pretty as that Penobscot 14 was, would it be better to have a boat that is self-rescuing? The P14 didn't have any decking, even over the bow. You could put inflatable cylinders in it (like the Optis do) but it would still be full of water when you righted it. Taking off across San Pablo Bay knowing that you absolutely can't capsize seems unrealistic.
All that said, I discovered I still have the owner's phone number.
Philpott
Cal 2-27 Dura Mater
I think this is a little confusing. Jim is suggesting that the RAID be held as an informal part of RYC's Totally Dinghy, which is scheduled for the weekend of September 21/22. Alan's RAID was scheduled for the weekend of Vallejo 1-2 October 19/20. Two separate events as far as I can tell.
I'd proposed having it on a weekend that wasn't in conflict with a pre-existing SSS event, but nobody seemed interested. Jim suggested doing it alongside the 3-BF, with folks going up to Napa instead of a Delta trip, Ants agreed, and here we are.
I want to support the idea. I VERY MUCH want to support it. I've tried to get something like this going twice before and nobody has expressed an iota of interest, so I'm stoked that there's some action this time. It's just that I don't actually own a little 14 footer right now, so I was going to use the Piper, but getting the Piper back downstream from Napa, against the wind might be problematic. I could maybe have her ready in time.. ~maybe~.. if I ignored the projects that need doing on the Wildcat. Or I could buy a used 14 footer like a Holder 14 or a Lido or something, and do the event.
The thing is that I don't have all the kit to race in the SSS events that go out the Gate, so I hate to miss the few that I CAN do that are "inside"...the Vallejo 1-2 being one of them. Between one thing and another...crewing on other boats, concerts, conflicts and so on, I've hardly raced my own boat at all this year. Here's my last chance this year to race, and.....it's just hard to say "no".
Doesn't mean that I won't, anyway, but it's a little painful. On the other hand, the Wildcats bottom hasn't been cleaned in three years beyond what I can do from the dock and the last race I did I was the far side of dog-slow, so maybe zooming along in a dinghy would be more fun. I dunno. I hate to drop a couple bills on a dinghy, when what I NEED to do is save my boat bucks for a haulout for the Wildcat.
Can I convince Joan that I Need THREE boats?
I want to support the idea. I VERY MUCH want to support it. I've tried to get something like this going twice before and nobody has expressed an iota of interest, so I'm stoked that there's some action this time. It's just that I don't actually own a little 14 footer right now, so I was going to use the Piper, but getting the Piper back downstream from Napa, against the wind might be problematic. I could maybe have her ready in time.. ~maybe~.. if I ignored the projects that need doing on the Wildcat. Or I could buy a used 14 footer like a Holder 14 or a Lido or something, and do the event.
The thing is that I don't have all the kit to race in the SSS events that go out the Gate, so I hate to miss the few that I CAN do that are "inside"...the Vallejo 1-2 being one of them. Between one thing and another...crewing on other boats, concerts, conflicts and so on, I've hardly raced my own boat at all this year. Here's my last chance this year to race, and.....it's just hard to say "no".
Doesn't mean that I won't, anyway, but it's a little painful. On the other hand, the Wildcats bottom hasn't been cleaned in three years beyond what I can do from the dock and the last race I did I was the far side of dog-slow, so maybe zooming along in a dinghy would be more fun. I dunno. I hate to drop a couple bills on a dinghy, when what I NEED to do is save my boat bucks for a haulout for the Wildcat.
Can I convince Joan that I Need THREE boats?
So, why did I sell the skerry? She was pretty as could be, rowed like a dream and sailed OK....not great, but OK.
The answer was that once I capsized her. I couldn't get the boat to right itself with the rig up. I had to drop the rig in the water. Now, the mast was hollow aluminum and plugged at both ends, so it didn't turn turtle. When I released the halyard on the yard, the boat would come up. I could get back into it...both good things. However, the freeboard was SO low, when it was full of water and I was sitting in it, that I could make no headway against little waves splashing water back into the boat, when I bailed. This was in the Redwood City turning basin, not out in the open Bay. I got to thinking about what that could mean on a rough day, when I was a mile off the closest shore and that convinced me that the skerry was NOT the boat to go dinghy cruising in.
I had purchased a couple of dinghy flotation bags, and strapped into the right places maybe they would have changed that situation, but I don't think so. I think I would have found myself sitting for hours in a swamped skerry, unable to row, unable to sail....not IN the water, but still not a good situation.
Philpott
Cal 2-27 Dura Mater
Oh! Dura Mater and I are totally in for this. She's my pudgy dinghy. We'll do Vallejo 1 then go up river. Looking forward to it. I'll bring them lemon thingees, too.
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I am still holding the date on my calendar. My rowing training should start in a week or so, but paddling will begin tomorrow. My primary craft, the canoe with oars has flotation, but I will add more flotation bags under the decks. There are plenty of dry bags, as well as room for a cooler. The umbrella that was used in a Green River trip is probably not needed.
I like the promotion idea. The more the merrier.
Ants
I like the promotion idea. The more the merrier.
Ants
The note that comes with my Social Security check says to keep moving if I want to collect more of them.
The on the water conditioning began today. Five miles in about an hour and a half. If the tides are not adverse, that gets me to the Brothers Lighthouse.
Very pleasant time, even though an earlier start would have been cooler.
Ants
The on the water conditioning began today. Five miles in about an hour and a half. If the tides are not adverse, that gets me to the Brothers Lighthouse.
Very pleasant time, even though an earlier start would have been cooler.
Ants
In full practice mode...
Weekend before last, I took the Laser out in the Napa River for an hour... first time I have sailed her in over a decade. Only ran aground twice (need to pay closer attention to the channel markers). Then just this last weekend sailed in Tomales Bay... about 4 hours on the water... maybe cover 6 miles all told. Launched at Inverness YC (great place with friendly smiling members who just want to help) and sailed north up past Hearts Desire Beach. The trip south at the end of the day was a fast one... bit of planing going on. What did I learn? Don't forget the bottle opener (Corona). Next Vallejo...
Yes the plan is to ghost the Vallejo 1-2 fleet on Saturday. Hang with them in the evening (maybe borrow a bunk) - and head north to Napa Sunday morning (as the SSS crowd heads back to the Bay). Yes the Totally Dinghy was just about promoting the RAID. Love Jackie's idea of V 1-2 on DM to Vallejo - and then joining us going north to Napa on Sunday. Maybe that is the answer to having dry clothes... "DM delivery service".
At some point need to take a headcount - so we can let Vallejo YC and Napa YC that we are coming (though if its just 3 or 4 of us... we can likely get away with just showing up).
What else? I have put a bug in my son's ear... see if he can borrow a 420 or an FJ... grab a friend and join in the fun.
Weekend before last, I took the Laser out in the Napa River for an hour... first time I have sailed her in over a decade. Only ran aground twice (need to pay closer attention to the channel markers). Then just this last weekend sailed in Tomales Bay... about 4 hours on the water... maybe cover 6 miles all told. Launched at Inverness YC (great place with friendly smiling members who just want to help) and sailed north up past Hearts Desire Beach. The trip south at the end of the day was a fast one... bit of planing going on. What did I learn? Don't forget the bottle opener (Corona). Next Vallejo...
Yes the plan is to ghost the Vallejo 1-2 fleet on Saturday. Hang with them in the evening (maybe borrow a bunk) - and head north to Napa Sunday morning (as the SSS crowd heads back to the Bay). Yes the Totally Dinghy was just about promoting the RAID. Love Jackie's idea of V 1-2 on DM to Vallejo - and then joining us going north to Napa on Sunday. Maybe that is the answer to having dry clothes... "DM delivery service".
At some point need to take a headcount - so we can let Vallejo YC and Napa YC that we are coming (though if its just 3 or 4 of us... we can likely get away with just showing up).
What else? I have put a bug in my son's ear... see if he can borrow a 420 or an FJ... grab a friend and join in the fun.
Dazzler
m/v PACIFIC LOON
There’s a FREE boat with trailer on Craig’s list. Might be just what you need!
https://reno.craigslist.org/boa/d/truckee-sailboat-for-free/6987787170.html
Hey, a mutineer... that would be fun, but I'm more likely to go for a more cruising-oriented dinghy like a Wayfarer or a CL16. Also on the possible list might a very rowable beach cruiser around 16 feet like an Oughtred Tirrik. And finally, a boat that is primarily an open-water rowboat might get the nod. All those would work for the raid, I'm just not finding one around the Bay Area..